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Old 01-14-2009, 06:24 PM   #1
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For a year now I've watched this site, occasionally threw in some comments and wrestled with building or not building a HA/GR. I've got too many cars now. But, the draw of the HA/GR philosophy is too much to overcome. Yesterday I set my T frame, early Ford front suspension and 9" rear end in place.

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Old 01-14-2009, 06:26 PM   #2
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Today I put in a front crossmember, suicide perch, and front spring mounts.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:35 PM   #3
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The plan is to leave the wisbone whole and put a stock ball mount in place. It's off to Little Dearborn tomorrow for parts. I'm planning on 10 degrees of caster, unless anyone with a HA/GR has a better number based on their experience. All suggestions and comments are appreciated.
I made my first pass down a drag strip in 1957, but never ran a great deal. For the last 6 years I've run a couple times a year at a 1/8 mile track with my 406 sbc powered Crosley/Fiat. It had a glass Fiat body on it until last year when I replaced it with a Crosley Wagon body.
One of the bigger design problems I might have is makng the car fit my 5'6" height and my Grandson's 6'1" body. I need to be able to reach the pedals.
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Old 01-14-2009, 07:26 PM   #4
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I'm running 10 degrees on my HA/GR and it handles fine. I have actually let go of the steering wheel at 95 mph and it goes straight as if it is on rails.
You should be fine with that.
Also looks like you are off to a great start.
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Old 01-14-2009, 07:27 PM   #5
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Hey looks like a great start!! What kind of power are you going to use?

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P.S. Is it cold over there??
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:26 PM   #6
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Yer off to a great start! What motor?
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:23 PM   #7
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esfoder, While I'd like to use something that fits the era real well (mid-fifties engine), my finances dictate that a slant six will give me the most bang for the buck. I've spent a fair amount of time on the Slant 6 site and it appears they are fairly easily modified and don't have many inherent problems.
I've got 2 292 Chevy 6's in the corner, but they don't qualify and they are quite expensive to modify.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:33 PM   #8
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GREAT start, once you have it rolling it's all down hill
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:00 AM   #9
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Looking good, nice to see another coming together.
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:23 AM   #10
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Noticed yoiu first raced in 1957 Was that at Minnesota Dragways in Anoka/Coon Rapids?
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:48 AM   #11
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Bobw, If you use the slant 6, you can get a double roller timing chain from Clifford's. I switched to one after I broke a stock one at a little past 7500 rpm. Joe
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:59 AM   #12
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Gray Ghost, Minn. Dragways wasn't built until about 1960. I started at Twin City Speedway which was a great place. No tech, no sactioning body, the owner made up the classes to suit the racers and it was cheap. You could almost reach out and touch the cars as they went by. I look at pics of MoKan (which is much safer) and the strip where Day of the Drags is run in Texas and I remember the good old drag racing days.
Joe, thanks for the tip.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:54 AM   #13
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Hell slap one of those 292 Chevs in there and use the $$$ you would use to buy something else on a rebuild.. Unless you are out to be a record setter..Im using a 194 chev.. But in a light car..
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:26 PM   #14
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great to see that even after the long 'think period' you're keen to get involved, hats off to you.

Now, great decision on the driveline, if nothing else, may I suggest you find a running slant, drop it between the rails, and DO NOT 'tinker' with the engine until at least you've done one pass in the car, as time and time again I see people get so lost in the dream of trying to hot up their engine they loose sight of what a blast these cars can be with some basic parts.

Sure, I know you will want to go out there guns-a-blazing, but, in the mean time, build it, K.I.S.S. and have fun, get your family and friends involved in some way shape, or form, and enjoy these cars for what they are.

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Old 01-15-2009, 08:19 PM   #15
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Drewfus, your advice is well taken. I want to thank you publicly for providing very helpful and prompt information to the PM's I sent you during the last year.

Today it was 21 below zero (f) when I walked the dog. So I didn't get much done in the garage because it's too costly to heat. I did go to the steel yard and get a piece of 3/16" aluminum plate to make friction shocks. Also picked up the wishbone ball socket items and got the wishbone crossmember 90% built before my hands and feet got too cold.

I'm planning on adapting a 340 small block sfi bellhousing to the slant. Also will need a sfi flywheel and clutch. That won't leave much money for engine modifications the first year. I have a friend who won the lottery. I wonder if he would like his name on the side of the car? Hmmm...
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:44 PM   #16
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Drewfus, your advice is well taken. I want to thank you publicly for providing very helpful and prompt information to the PM's I sent you during the last year.
You're welcome sir, anytime, here to help.

One thing I forgot to mention, whilst I know you've got it already, and it's well up to the task, don't you think the 9" is overkill, and dare I say a bit of a waste on a car such as this?

Cheers, and glad to see you'r chipping away at the project,

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Old 01-15-2009, 10:51 PM   #17
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Hi BobW I just ordered a SFI slant 6 flywheel Tuesday 1-13-08, McCloud Industries is going to make it. Mine is a 122 tooth. 401.03 dollers. They did not have a steel pressure plate, all that they had was a cast Borg and Beck. Be sure and increase your oil capacity if you do anything to the motor. Joe
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:45 PM   #18
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I managed to get the garage above freezing so I did a little work. Here is the crossmember for the wishbone mount. The black parts are a reproduction '32-'34 wishbone mount kit.
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:46 PM   #19
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Here it is tacked in place with the wishbone connected.
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:48 PM   #20
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With a hole saw I made some 3" discs out of 1/8' steel plate and tacked them on the front of the frame rails.
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