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Old 05-01-2008, 03:47 AM   #1
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What has everyone been up to this last month in Banger-land?
My month has been mostly spent getting the T Touring body mounted to my A chassis. Fitting the body was easy enough, but sorting out the floorboards, fuel tank and steering all takes time.

Don't like the matt black paint, but the body is quite poor in places and the rattle can finish hides it quite well Plans are afoot to restore the body over the next year or so, one panel at a time, so it doesn't have to come off the road for a long time.

Built a subframe under the cowl to support the upper steering mount, as these bodies have very little integral strength, and everything feels much tighter now.
Hoping to get some video footage shot, if it ever stops raining over here...
Also got word that my Tudor will finally reach these shores during May, so hopefully there will be an update from me later on in the month.
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Old 05-01-2008, 04:57 AM   #2
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That thing rules. I would've never guess it'd have a quick change either. It looks like an absolute blast.

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Old 05-01-2008, 05:29 AM   #3
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That is cool! My very first hotrod, in 1963, was almost identical to that, the only difference being it had a 1934 V8 mill and leopard skin seat covers!
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There's nothing wrong with a body thats poor in places have you ever seen me.
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Old 05-01-2008, 05:50 AM   #5
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:02 AM   #6
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I guess I will be joining in on these threads. I just got a 26 T touring that was a restoration project. Plans were for an A chassis update. Now I am thinking about building it similar to the Hop Up T Touring. Then I think about leaving it on the T chassis and lowering it like the one in Hop Up #4 annual.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:23 AM   #7
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I hear that my banger will be headed my way soon. The rest of the car is coming along - sorting out the steering now.
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I'm sorry for the blurry pic. But finally I found one!!!!!
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I'm sorry for the blurry pic. But finally I found one!!!!!
Keep looking - we ALL need one...
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:53 PM   #10
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Looks really great.
Having it like that doesn't make it so bad that you sold the coupe body!

Needs aprons!! Longer '28/'29 ones...
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Old 05-01-2008, 02:09 PM   #11
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For me,...

The engine's home from its rebuilding, safe and sound.
(Thank you God!)

Finally picked up my Roadster body!! (whoo Hoo!,...and does it ever look SWELL!)

All chassis parts ware sand blasted (well at least 99.9% of it)and is ready for some paint! Brakes have been redone all around,..(KUDOS to Mr. Bill Buckmeyer!! Brake man extrordinaire for hooking me up with a wonderful set of new brakes!!!)
I put together a website for our club as some of you know already,

www.hotironclub.com

which gives us a home other than the humble beginnings of the wepage we had on myspace which can still be viewed.


Club's always interested in meeting new people with the same mindset and passion for the history of early speed as we've been meeting various fellows and potential new members!

On a rather sad yet equally important note, my loving grandmother lost her battle with bone cancer and liver failure two days ago. She was more than ready to go, as she told us with kind words before loosing her ability to speak...It was simply all of US who were not ready to let her go home!
She may as well been my second Mother, as I grew up as much in her home as I did my own,..and as I was always thought to be one of her kids.
She will be missed beyond any words penned by man could hope to express!

And as such a woman of integrity, love and unyielding strength unmatched by any I have seen, I have been jotting down some specs, ideas and musings of a modified roadster aptly conjured in the recesses of my mind as a tribute that can, and will be built with the same passion, love and endurace she showed me right untill the end.

The "Theodosia" roadster.



Stay tuned!...
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Despondent seeing this in the yard - well - at least I had the T to play with in the snow...



Engine out to freshen up and... oh dear! Lumps-o-piston® in the sump, piss poor whitemetal job had come loose.

Month on - shiny things!



I'd been saving this diamond B engine I bought from Artiki for a rainy day. Well, rain, snow, sleet and hail, that day was here. A quick port, skim, hone, re-ring, scrape and shim - new valves reshaped and bumped by a mildly ground cam. All capped off with the Thomas head I'd been using as a doorstop. Have to find something else to hold the door open when this summer arrives...



Flywheel skimmed, V8 clutch, shakedown mode with the original ignition and manifolds. Fires first punch of the button. Woohoo. Chuffed. As did the exhaust...



Those plug leads - just ask and I'll make you a set too!

Whilst out shopping, found this sitting on a pallet waiting for a freshen up. A Gaz hunk of iron over at Belchers.

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Is that a G28T at Belchers?

Stock ignition? You can't have a stock ignition on that race engine!
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Old 05-01-2008, 05:19 PM   #14
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Nope - it's a Gaz lump. Don't worry - the ignition is going all weird soon...
Race engine? Hahahaha. You're so funny.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:07 PM   #15
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I should (fingers crossed) have my coupe on the road Saturday Got done with all the undercarrage mods, tranny swap, and hydrallic brakes installed. All I have to do is run the steel brake lines up front, then bleed em and drive





In case anyone missed it, I started with a dropped axle and hydrallic brakes. Then put in a rebuilt 2 tooth box, and had to do some machine work to get the banjo wheel and light rod to work. Got the rear end checked out (had a bent outer housing!!!) and put a T spring in it. Also put a V-8 tranny in it as well. All I have left is the B engine install, but this will work for now! The car now sits EXACTLY how I wanted it to
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Chris that looks perfect the right stance whats your plans for the engine
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:38 PM   #17
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Neat stuff as usual, guys!
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Working on my uncles 1914 T race car this month. Trying to get it ready for Antique Nats. Car has been sitting for 25 years. Uncle got proded by club members to get it going. We started it and it ran, but had intermitent firing problems so we decided to do a quick tear down to replace a leaking head gasket and do a quick inspection.











Everything inside looks good. Lots of shim under all bearings. Can hardly looks used.
Bad news is the drive gears for the side drive Mag are toast!!! All worn bad. Probably why we were having ignition problems.

Any one know where I might be able to get replacment gears for a Bosch side drive magneto adapter?
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Old 05-01-2008, 08:15 PM   #19
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chris car looks bitchin'... I like it without the caps and rings. Stance is perfect!
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I dig the cover.

Does anyone know someone in So Cal that does tonue covers?
I was looking to get one done for my RPU
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I love these banger meetings...lots of good info and tastey pictures to check out. Here is the situation I am in...I have posted this in other places to get some answers:

OK, here's the deal. I just got a bone stock 1928 coupe that had been restored a few years back. I wanted to get a little pep out of the stock 4-banger(which has been totally rebuilt with sleeved cylinders, lightened flywheel, and balanced) so I put on an exhaust header, and Ansen downdraft intake with a 97 on top, and a Winfield 6.4-1 head. I also switched to plug wires and a high-speed distributor cap. Now the car won't start. Battery is charged, all's well. It just seems like the starter is struggling to barely make a rotation and doesn't seem to have the balls to start the old girl.

-Is the added compression making it hard on the 6V starter to do it's job?

-Is there a remedy?

Someone told me I could find a 8V battery and throw it in there, and adjust the brushes in the generator to charge. Should I just do a 12v conversion? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance...

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Thanks for the comliments guys!
Philip, I like the no caps/ring look as well...but do have a set of Mercury caps and rings that will be on it (see center pic, front wheel)
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Chris that looks perfect the right stance whats your plans for the engine



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I love these banger meetings...lots of good info and tastey pictures to check out. Here is the situation I am in...I have posted this in other places to get some answers:

OK, here's the deal. I just got a bone stock 1928 coupe that had been restored a few years back. I wanted to get a little pep out of the stock 4-banger(which has been totally rebuilt with sleeved cylinders, lightened flywheel, and balanced) so I put on an exhaust header, and Ansen downdraft intake with a 97 on top, and a Winfield 6.4-1 head. I also switched to plug wires and a high-speed distributor cap. Now the car won't start. Battery is charged, all's well. It just seems like the starter is struggling to barely make a rotation and doesn't seem to have the balls to start the old girl.

-Is the added compression making it hard on the 6V starter to do it's job?

-Is there a remedy?

Someone told me I could find a 8V battery and throw it in there, and adjust the brushes in the generator to charge. Should I just do a 12v conversion? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance...

Adam

I don't think it's the compression, 6V batterys turn over higher compression V-8's and such. Check your connections. Did you switch and cables? 6V cars require large battery cables, too small of one will make it act like it is not fully charged up. Also, did you do anything to the internals of the car? Maybe something internally is binding?
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l...but do have a set of Mercury caps and rings that will be on it (see center pic, front wheel)
What spindles are you running Chris? I bought some '42 caps and popped a not-so-neat dent in the first one I tried slamming on... Seems A spindles are longer than later ones - those Mercury caps any deeper?
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Yeah, they are deeper, but I am also running 42-48 square spindles up front, so it would not matter much.
I belive 1936 and earlier were a longer spindle shaft than 1937 and later.
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Just had an email from Macs saying my order has been shipped so it should be here within a week and I can see if I can get the fat spark back... I've had my 29 sedan two weeks and I only got it running for 7 minutes.... a few almighty back fires through the exhaust and bugger-all since.
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Started putting the Willys 4 banger speedster back together for the last time hopefully, stripped it down painted the chassis with POR15 great stuff, engine back in. Will try to post some picks when it is on it's wheels.
Bought another project it is a Ford 4 cylinders and valves in the block but not what you guys are used to (A 45 GPW) needs lots of work previous owner was called Bubba but has all important F scriped parts and chassis engine numbers won't bore you with pics.

Putting the Phaeton up for sale to fund the GPW resto but hope to get to a few shows in it before it goes.
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What spindles are you running Chris? I bought some '42 caps and popped a not-so-neat dent in the first one I tried slamming on... Seems A spindles are longer than later ones - those Mercury caps any deeper?
I'm still running the stock Model A spindles. I put 40 Ford caps on the front of mine. I noticed the same thing that there was barely a clearance issue. I actuall drove mine around the block and wore a very slight dimple in the middle too.

I took an angle grinder with a stone on it and ground off the ends of my spindles, taking off about 2 - 3 milimeters of material on the front. The caps then went on and there is no clearance issue. There is still enough metal to hold the cotter pin in place so the front castle nuts do not back out.

The back axles are MUCH longer and the caps won't go on. I could grind the same and get a shorter castle nut, but I would be getting too close to the cotter pin hole and don't want to do that. A machinist could drill a new hole further in toward the center of the car, and that would work with the shorter castle nut. Haven't done that yet though.

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I love these banger meetings...lots of good info and tastey pictures to check out. Here is the situation I am in...I have posted this in other places to get some answers:

OK, here's the deal. I just got a bone stock 1928 coupe that had been restored a few years back. I wanted to get a little pep out of the stock 4-banger(which has been totally rebuilt with sleeved cylinders, lightened flywheel, and balanced) so I put on an exhaust header, and Ansen downdraft intake with a 97 on top, and a Winfield 6.4-1 head. I also switched to plug wires and a high-speed distributor cap. Now the car won't start. Battery is charged, all's well. It just seems like the starter is struggling to barely make a rotation and doesn't seem to have the balls to start the old girl.


-Is the added compression making it hard on the 6V starter to do it's job?

-Is there a remedy?

Someone told me I could find a 8V battery and throw it in there, and adjust the brushes in the generator to charge. Should I just do a 12v conversion? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance...

Adam
Can you turn it over by hand? I'm starting an "A" engine with 8 to 1 compression with a 6 volt starter, I attached my ground cable to the trans. This is a fresh tight engine with a 20 lb. Al flywheel. All connections must be clean and tight. I see post's about towing to start, I was taught that if you have to tow it something is not right. Once you get it running spend some time getting it tuned right. After my engine has been started it will fire on first revolution. This is why I like the fine tuning capabilities of Winfield carburetors, I'm running a "reworked" "B" distributor with stock points. Over the years I have found most problems with 6 volt systems is bad connections if starter and generator are in good condition. I installed a Fun Co. electronic regulator. They make them in 6,8, and 12 volt all for the "A" 3 brush generator.
On ebay yesterday I saw a new "A "B" style FS distributor advertised for $450 from FS. Just a bit pricey for me.
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Hmmmm...I'll have to try my Merc caps on the back of my A. I know they stick out more than Fords, but by how much I do not know!
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I think I can smell the paint! Who made the headers? I like the stance of your coupe. Did you use a stock "T" spring on the rear?
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The motor was running perfect and starting every time before I installed the head, intake and exhaust...I know the intake and exhaust would have nothing to do with the starter. I changed nothing internally on the engine. It was rebuilt about 600 miles ago and works like a champ. The cables are big and grounds are clean and uncorroded. Thanks for the responses...
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I never thought of the cap issue with steels and 'A' spindles.

I've just gone over to steels as most of you have seen by now and was thinking of '40 caps.



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Nope - it's a Gaz lump. Don't worry - the ignition is going all weird soon...
A Gaz lump is basically a 'B' I think?

Forgot about all that stuff regarding the ignition.

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Then put in a rebuilt 2 tooth box, and had to do some machine work to get the banjo wheel and light rod to work.
What was involved with doing that?
I see its not an 'A' horn button thats used.

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Are you using a mag? What one are you using to fire both sets of plugs at the same time?

Dan McEachern does new gears for the Bosch side drives.
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I think I can smell the paint! Who made the headers? I like the stance of your coupe. Did you use a stock "T" spring on the rear?


The header is a Red's header, fit like crap! I did use a stock T spring, with one leaf removed. I may put that leaf in it, and have the eye reversed, to stiffen it up a bit but still have the same lowering effect. It is pretty spungy right now (but I do not have shocks yet either!)
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[/QUOTE]What was involved with doing that?
I see its not an 'A' horn button thats used.








To get the wheel to fit, I had to do the following:

-machine the end of the shaft down on a lathe, as a "A" shaft is a little larger diameter than later Ford. I just kept "skimmin" it until it fit good and tight

-The 37 banjo wheel I used has a "skirt" around the bottom of it, and so in effect it sit closer to the colum tube than an A. Rather than cut the skirt off the wheel, I cut 1/2" off the bottom of the colum and lowered it down a little for clearance. The spark and throttle rods still work great.

- Shorten the light rod. pretty basic, I first measured how far the stock rod stuck out with the stock wheel, then installed the banjo, installed the rodand cut it so it stuck out the same amount. Had to cut a section out and re-weld the bottom on, so the stock light switch works. To my ammazment everything works
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Old 05-02-2008, 11:51 AM   #38
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Are you using a mag? What one are you using to fire both sets of plugs at the same time?

Dan McEachern does new gears for the Bosch side drives.[/quote]

Yes it is set up for a mag, but it was only firing one set of plugs. A dual mag set up is in the works. I've found a couple of Aircraft mag options. I havent worked out all of the logistics yet. looking for an impulse drive that will make it start easier with the hand crank. My other thought was to stager the timing between mags. so that one runs more advance then the other and set up a switch to control each mag so that I could turn off the advanced mag for starting. I would set up the starting mag with adjustable timing and it could be adjusted for the power range you need once both mags are switched on. I'll post more when I get it done.

I haden't talked to Dan yet, thanks for the tip!!!! I hope he has the head gasket for the Rojo head too.
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Daddyo...any trim shop should be able to make a tonneau cover, there isn't much to them. Wouldn't have thought it would cost much either.
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The header is a Red's header, fit like crap!
I will second the Red's header and the crappy quality of it. I had Bass Tig weld up the flange on the outside so it would look better. I did that before trying the fit. I wish I had just sent it back to them and said it was JUNK!

The flange visually appears warped, but it's just cut crooked. The header won't fit on the motor without hitting the frame, so the pipes will have to be bent. It was so much work that I'm just running the stock exhaust manifold on it right now until I can get some time to focus on that.
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I've got a Red's header and that was poor as well. The flange was very distorted. Welded it up from the outside and then had the flange faced.
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Finished updating my Zipper lakester with new steering wheel and replaced the Mooneyes EFI with one of the British 97's. Also reworked the stock A pedals, replaced the powered coated red fuel tank with a spun aluminum and put some spun aluminum Raydot Cobra side mirrors to tie everthing together.
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The motor was running perfect and starting every time before I installed the head, intake and exhaust...I know the intake and exhaust would have nothing to do with the starter. I changed nothing internally on the engine. It was rebuilt about 600 miles ago and works like a champ. The cables are big and grounds are clean and uncorroded. Thanks for the responses...
Can you turn it over by hand with the plugs out? Does it just crank slowly or not at all? Did you retime with the timing plug? What diameter are your valves? most of the repop Al heads won't clear larger valves than 13/4".
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My Red header was a bad, bad fit. How bad? I bought another header and use Red's for an engine I keep on a stand. There was severe frame interference in a Model A ! Amazing.......!
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My Red header was a bad, bad fit. How bad? I bought another header and use Red's for an engine I keep on a stand. There was severe frame interference in a Model A ! Amazing.......!
I have had minor problems with Red's headers but have never had a frame interference problem. I wonder if the business changing ownership has anything to do with it. When I was working on the Denver Miller Red built me a set of headers with 1 3/4" tubes on a header plate I had cut to fit the core shift and out of aligned ports for $185, I thought this was pretty reasonable as one guy quoted 8 or 9 hundred. As to welding on the tubes on the outside of the header plate I always do this so that I can match the ports and not worry about the weld. I started doing this before they started with the heavy bead on the block side.
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Red sold the place about a year & a half ago - he stayed on for a while, but have heard many stories about QC & Svc going downhill. I wasn't really very happy with the dual exhaust for my '40 either - had to do a lot of cutting & rewelding to get it to fit properly.
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I am really impressed with the quality of this body and the level of service from Brookville, and I am thankful that they work so hard for our hobby. This is a '30-31 extended cab roadster pickup body, I supplied the gas tank and they built the cowl around it. Stock firewall with stock holes, no outside door handles or snap hole for curtains, and I opted for the deck former option.

I think they did a fantastic job extending this body, the proportions are so nice that it looks like Henry could have made it this way. I am 6' 2" and 215 lbs and didn't think I could be comfortable in a stock length roadster pickup. I would estimate the body with tank installed at around 250 lbs. It is easy for two guys to carry, just a little awkward due to the size. Hopefully my mild B engine will feel strong if I can keep the weight down around 1600 lbs.

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I am really impressed with the quality of this body and the level of service from Brookville, and I am thankful that they work so hard for our hobby. This is a '30-31 extended cab roadster pickup body, I supplied the gas tank and they built the cowl around it. Stock firewall with stock holes, no outside door handles or snap hole for curtains, and I opted for the deck former option.

I think they did a fantastic job extending this body, the proportions are so nice that it looks like Henry could have made it this way. I am 6' 2" and 215 lbs and didn't think I could be comfortable in a stock length roadster pickup. I would estimate the body with tank installed at around 250 lbs. It is easy for two guys to carry, just a little awkward due to the size. Hopefully my mild B engine will feel strong if I can keep the weight down around 1600 lbs.

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Nope, that is how it came. They also supplied the blocks that go between the body and frame.

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[quote=Will Kimble;2783971]Here's what I spent my allowance on this month:

Can I come and live with you !!!!! I'd love to get that kind of allowence.....monthly!!!!!!
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That's a real nice body, Will. I think that's the first time I've seen one of the extended '30-'31's and you are right, the proportions are spot on.
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Ha, a year's worth of allowance - I just spent it this month! Don't tell my wife about the B engine...

I thought some folks would enjoy seeing the pictures, I know I was looking for more while I was saving up for this.

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Nope, that is how it came. They also supplied the blocks that go between the body and frame.

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The reason I asked about the floor boards is that I couldn't tell it the throttle relief was cut on bottom side of the upper board. I made my own floorboards as I am using the F 100 trans and I felt I would have to butcher the stock new boards. After I thought I was done I came across a set of floor board prints on the internet and found the reason my stock throttle didn't stick up high enough was that there is a 3/8" relief cut on the underside of the board where the throttle sticks through.
I wish I had that leg room, I'm thinking maybe I should sell what I have and buy one!
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Ha, a year's worth of allowance - I just spent it this month! Don't tell my wife about the B engine...

I thought some folks would enjoy seeing the pictures, I know I was looking for more while I was saving up for this.

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That't rally great Will! Looks great!
I have to look at my 29 roadster body,...it seemed that last I looked, the original 29 gas tank was not fitting properly?? I have to look more closely,..anyon ever have any issues with Brookville bodies not fitting the original Ford cowl gas tanks well??

Just wonderin,...
Well I gotta take a nap,...I just had two BIG Rob Roys!!! Sleepy sleepy!!
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I just put one on mine, fit nice and tucked right down where it is supposed to. The people there were SUPER helpful and they knew what I needed. Not the best looking header, but it was also not very much money either! Also got a high compression head, gaskets, intake, and side plate from them...all mint.
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Been a good month for me, put about 520 miles on the 'A' since fitting the twin uppies, they seem to be settling in well.

Still thinking about a Lion head, but no rush.

Exhaust, is my next 'hot' must have - saw this at wheels day, any ideas, can I get a flange plate? or is it a scratch build? It's kinda what I have in mind, but will take some working out with the uppies and the hot plate on the intake manifold (but nothing compared to what some of you guys are upto).

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Corn Coupe, Monkeybiker on here did have some flanges made up a little while ago but I don't know whether he has any left. (I'm hoping he's still holding on to one for me!) Send him a PM in case he doesn't see this post.
As for a head, don't you think a 'stock' shaped head would look better with the uppies, rather than the finned Lion head? You can get a Brumfield head in various CR's that look totally stock, a Snyder head also looks pretty stock, or an aluminium Winfield head if you want to look flash!
That's Clive Griesel's roadster, one of the original Low Flyers from England, btw....
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Artiki, Chris & Enbloc your cars are soooooooooo bitchin
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Cheers Artiki - I never thought of it that way about the head - guess your right . Aha Clive, I sought of know him, been to his place with Brummy Mick.

I'll give monkeybiker a shout
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Shout received...
I do have something you may be interested in - a 14.9 head. Didn't use it in the end.
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Artiki/Corn Coupe I've got an unused flange available if Phil is out of 'em.

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Thanks man!
I got my hydrallic brakes all hooked up yesterday, the fronts lock up if you hit the pedal to hard, but it feels like the rears are not working to well. The shoes are adjusted pretty snug to the drum, and when I jack up the car and step on the brake, you cannot rotate the rear tire by hand. I may have some air in the wheel cylinders, as I rotated the backing plates about 20 degrees to get the cylinders to clear the spring hanger. Sooo, a little dickin around and hopefully back on the streets

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I've been collecting pieces for a A-V8 28 closed cab pick-up, but damn, you guys are making me think I should go with the banger!
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What carbs are some of you guys running on your A's? This is all new to me and I'm having trouble with the zenith dripping and running like a pig (i shut off the fuel when not in use)

I want to get hold of a better looking and performing (carb or carbs) but unsure what is best.

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I'm running a single 97, one of the new ones, though a 94 works just fine. Probably need a fuel pump to go with it though.
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Carb combo, twin Tillitsons for me - work well, and look different..............
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I run two 81's on a Burns intake
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I run a single Winfield B downdraft. Not the cheapest option but it works fantastic.
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Single "BB" Winfield on my "A" flathead, dual "BB"'s on my 2 port
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Dual Stromberg 81s with no fuel pump. Here is some video of it running!

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Penty of options! If anyone knows of set ups for sale please give me a nudge flaminv8@hotmail.com
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This last weekend, at Buttonwillow Raceway, west of Bakersfield, CA, our aged, 1932 "Banger" powered Champ Car, bested the Historic Class in a 15 minute event on this challenging road course. The field of 10 cars ranged from a 1915 National to two 1952 Cadillac-Allards, a Bugatti and a very fast MG Special. On Saturday, I was late to the grid; and had to start at the back. I caught up to the Allards; but, dropped back, as my car was starting to overheat. The quick Allard "puked" it's rearend, so I came in 2nd. On Sunday, having solved my cooling problems, I started on the pole. The remaining Allard was late to the starting grid, so he had to be at the end of the pack. After the start, I was never challenged. Though the fellow in the Allard turned one lap a fraction of a second faster than I had, I guess he wasn't consistant; as he couldn't gain ground on me.
All of this was a result of 6 years, and three engines, of hard work. I've broken everything from cranks to torque tubes, including a steering pitman shaft.
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Been a good month for me, put about 520 miles on the 'A' since fitting the twin uppies, they seem to be settling in well.

Still thinking about a Lion head, but no rush.

Exhaust, is my next 'hot' must have - saw this at wheels day, any ideas, can I get a flange plate? or is it a scratch build? It's kinda what I have in mind, but will take some working out with the uppies and the hot plate on the intake manifold (but nothing compared to what some of you guys are upto).
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The current powerplant is based on a Model B Block, decked, JE domed pistons, Taylor Engine rods, five main crank by Joe Panek (Roto-faze).[/QUOTE]

Sounds- good - glad to see you had some success. Did Panek do the 5 main crank or are you running his Roto-Faze ignition?

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I picked this up yesterday at a local swap meet. It's a 1948 Chevrolet Fleetline rear end with a aftermarket Truckstell overdrive unit. The car it came ot of had 48,000 miles on it (I was told). I want to adapt this to the torque tube on my A, anyone ever tried this? I think it would be pretty easy to do. It came with all the controls, and is a simple cable oporated unit. I paid 150.00 for the whole mess, think I overpaid?? I have no idea of the value, but do see what units like Mitchells sell for!



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2'nd rod I've seen in a week with mechanical brakes. What am I missing here?
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Looks very interesting Chris. Strip it down and let us have a closer look. I reckon you should be able to adapt the front end of an A torque tube to it, same with the rear.
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Well set up mechanical brakes in good condition will lock the wheels, assuming brake parts are in good condition. Some aftermarket products such as Flathead Ted's Floaters improve the brakes and require less pedal pressure. The problem is most people don't realize the adjustment procedure. I have installed 32 brakes on my RPU with a 32 front axle but if you use a drop axle it is probably easier to go with hydraulic brakes although I have seen extensions used to connect the front brake operating levers.
I am NOT saying that mechanicals are better or as good as hydraulics but for a car with a mildly reworked 4 barrel engine they should be satisfactory. Most people have never driven a car with good mechanical brakes. But people my age ,72, grew up driving cars with mechanical brakes .
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Mine stop the car very well. But for those white knuckle moments, the emergency brake is great. Locks the rear wheels up pretty good.

It's fun trying to steer, adjust the timing rod up to retard ignition while pulling down on the throttle rod to rev the car up a little to keep the 2 cold strombergs going while pulling the emergency brake so you don't ram into the SUV that just cut you off before the red light you're approaching!


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Mine stop the car very well. But for those white knuckle moments, the emergency brake is great. Locks the rear wheels up pretty good.

It's fun trying to steer, adjust the timing rod up to retard ignition while pulling down on the throttle rod to rev the car up a little to keep the 2 cold strombergs going while pulling the emergency brake so you don't ram into the SUV that just cut you off before the red light you're approaching!


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The 2 critical things on the "A" or early Ford mechanical brakes, assuming the brakes are in good condition, are to center the shoes by bending the track up or down using a device located on spindle to check if they are centered, the device can be made from PVC pipe. The next thing is to disconnect the brake rods and, after adjusting the brakes, place the brake cross shaft in perfect alignment vertically, then adjust the rods to the brake levers, being careful not to move the cross shaft. There are other adjustments to give 60 40 contact and so on, but this is the basic adjustment, Also, the brake levers should be at aprox, 15 degrees forward, this can be adjusted by placing "pills" in the brake operating wedge where the brake push pin locates to correct for wear. These "pills are available from most "A" suppliers.
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We have an annual roadworthiness test over here in the UK, which includes a brake test on a rolling road. My mechanical brakes always easily pass the test.
As Bill said, set up correctly mechanicals are fine.
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Hello you all.

I have started gathering Model A motor parts to build a street driven A. My question is what are my choices on flywheels. I was planning on putting in a V8 trans. Do I just lighten the stock flywheel and if so by how much for a street engine. Or do I have some other options? Best clutch option with my trans choice?

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Sounds- good - glad to see you had some success. Did Panek do the 5 main crank or are you running his Roto-Faze ignition?

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Oh dear Lord,..not the Mech brake discussion yet again!!!

Honestly, I'd redirect any questions one might have on mech brakes to a fellow in Texas by the name of Bill Buckmeyer. Look him up, he's a wealth of knowledge and is always happy to help others.
The man is TOP notch on Model A mech brakes,...knows these things inside and out and knows how to get the very best out of them!
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Oh dear Lord,..not the Mech brake discussion yet again!!!

Honestly, I'd redirect any questions one might have on mech brakes to a fellow in Texas by the name of Bill Buckmeyer. Look him up, he's a wealth of knowledge and is always happy to help others.
The man is TOP notch on Model A mech brakes,...knows these things inside and out and knows how to get the very best out of them!
Well, If I have any problems in the future I will try to locate him and ask him how to fix it. Maybe you could get him to post on this forum! Thank you for the information! I did not realize that I was not giving accurate information.
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RE: Crank for "Dawgs" Model B
Joe Panek did the crank and the cam blank.

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I have started gathering Model A motor parts to build a street driven A. My question is what are my choices on flywheels. I was planning on putting in a V8 trans. Do I just lighten the stock flywheel and if so by how much for a street engine. Or do I have some other options? Best clutch option with my trans choice?

Thanks you all know a lot.
You have 2 or 3 choices for flywheels. The most common choice is to have your stock 65 Lb. flywheel lightened to 40 or 45 Lb. and modified to use the Ford 9" clutch. There are or were some Al. flywheels that were a direct replacement in the 20 lb. range. The more radical choice is the V8 flathead flywheel, which will bolt on with no modification, the stock steel or an aftermarket Al. flywheel The aftermarket Al. flywheels are getting pricey. The one on my 2 port I bought at a swap meet for $75 it weighs 12.5 lb.. The problem with the V8 flywheel is that you must convert your starter from the stock inboard drive to an outboard drive In board engages the ring gear with a pushing action from the starter, the out board drive is pulled into the ring gear and must use a Bendix spring wound in the opposite direction from the stock one. This also requires a bearing or support on the outer end of the starter shaft or the shaft will bend. Ask me how I know. There are more modifications to the starter but it is actually not a difficult project.
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Bill, how would you change the starter to work with a V8 flywheel? Can you use the bendix off a V8 starter??
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Bill, how would you change the starter to work with a V8 flywheel? Can you use the bendix off a V8 starter??
Nope - effectively you reverse the original I believe. Anyone seen or tried these?


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I'm running these on all my Model A's. They work great on the stockers, but noticed that the higher compression puts more load on it.

At the Lonestar Round Up, I went to start my coupe and heard a god aweful noise. I thought I ripped the teeth off my ring gear. Tried starting a few more times and realized that my starter was just spinning. I now thought that I sheered the woodruff key on the starter shaft.

Pulled the starter to find that the "unbreakable" starter drive pictured below had come apart. The outter barrel is held on by a snap ring. Luckily all parts were still on the starter shaft. I stretched the snap ring a little wider so that it would have more springy-ness to it and put it back together. Working great again.

I'm happy with them and glad I've upgraded. Just a heads up on my experience though.


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Yes, I had one until I went over to a V8 flywheel.
I went over to one as I kept breaking bendix drives.

There original fitment was on Caterpillar diesels or something else heavy duty like that. Someone discovered they worked on Model 'A's and as you can imagine they were indestructible!

But..... As they become popular the Model A suppliers tagged onto them and surprise, surprise started having them made in Taiwan. Now there just as crap as the repro Bendix drives.

100% fit one, but make sure your getting the real deal.

There's hundreds of postings about these on the 'A' boards. I think the man to talk to is "Gord By The Bay" as he sells the good ones?
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I'm sorry for the blurry pic. But finally I found one!!!!!
Hello,
I found one last month too... and didn't know what it was when I took it -shame on me-
May is a good month to start, birds are singing and skirts are shrinking, so I strip my engine, start to check inserts, pistons, rods.. everything seems fine. I make the diagram of the cam, pretty depressing and asthmatic... next step, the block will have a bath.
I drop the Cragar head on it, just to see what's look my new coffee table .. still some job to do on it ..
I've read that it's a good idea to switch the pressure plate by the 9 inch first V8 one ? I've found a 9-1/2" Y bloc pressure plate, do you think it will fit on my flywheel ???
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Will the 9" pressure plate and disc work with no mods on a A flywheel? My engine has been balanced as well (had flywheel lightened), will adding a different pressure plate/disc interfear with the balancing??
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I've had one of those barrel drives for two or three years, Phil. No problems here....
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You will have to have the flywheel modified, the lip has to be removed and 9" bolt pattern drilled and tapped. I would have the new pressure plate balanced to the flywheel. Some people figure that a dead zero balance on the flywheel/ pressure plate is enough. The disc is not normally included in the balance. The V8 9" clutch assembly is lighter than the "A"'B" clutch
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I know some guys with mitchells on full fendered cars whicha are expensive, plus ya can't really see them,... thank God.they look like a Play station 2's under your car!
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Phil - I'm running the barrel drive on my 12-volt converted V8 - so far, no issues after a year of use. Really like it.
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Here's mine. Had it about a year. H and H of coarse. Much like Crazydaddio's. #17 ardun "FRICK" head, etc. Should go in my Tudor this month. Nice pic in GG gazette by the way Crazy! B
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One more, now that I can do it. Ardun "A" With ALL the goodies. B
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Some body stop me! Thanks!
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I wish I could bring my toys inside the house too!!!!
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Well, The truth be told... She say's,"Do you remember what you paid for that THING? and all that polishing? Huh? Do You? Remember? Bring it inside!". Yes Dear, Whatever! I got her right where I want her. So, how many of us are there now? Must be a bunch. Its catchin on again. B
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A fine looking engine, Nine Inch. Always got a good word for the guys at H & H.
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Joe Mac once built a 29 RPU in his den from pieces he had scrounged. The den had french doors. Actually more like an indoor patio. He also converted a bedroom into an early Ford parts room. In case you didn't know Joe started what was probably the original Ford Parts Obsolete.
After he retired to Corona you could call him for a rebuilt early V8 trans or rear end and pick it up next day.
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Nope - effectively you reverse the original I believe. Anyone seen or tried these?


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Not sure what you are saying as the "A" and V8 use the same older type drive.
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A fine looking engine, Nine Inch. Always got a good word for the guys at H & H.
Thank you! Yes, they were very helpful with my needs. Got to know them before we had a plan, and they are great guys, know their stuff, and are great to do business with. I am very happy with the outcome. It should be a Monster. They will do a Scot blown Ardun flatty for my next project. I wouldn't go anywhere else. H and H has earned my trust for sure! B
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I just came back online and was looking to ask about your views on H&H or Taylor engine?
Thinking about getting a motor built.
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I've bought stuff from both H & H and Taylor and can't fault either for their service or their parts. The Wrong-Un on here has a banger built by Taylor and it's a screamer....
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awesome topic!
i love the spirit of the very early style hot rods
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I just came back online and was looking to ask about your views on H&H or Taylor engine?
Thinking about getting a motor built.
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I have had 4 engines done by Taylors over a 10 year period and haven't had a problem with his work. I can't say anything about H&H as I have no experience with them. My only problem with Jay Steele ( Taylor Engines ) is that he drove my car at the last 66 hillclimb and he went too fast and the others couldn't stand the competition so they kicked me out of the speedster class and now I have to run with the sprint cars. I guess 2 ports are not supposed to run as fast as pro built 4 ports. We started the day as a "T" speedster but when the results were printed we were in the Historical class. Taylor engine did the machine work on the 2 port engine.
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Little late... but oh well. Still lots of work left...

Arttiki, that rules...
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Banger hill climb, in Addison Texas June 22nd. Classes for all vintage bangers. Come and compete or just spectate. Contact jimb3@earthlink.net
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Hello fella's! Ive got a '31 Closed cab p/u converted (bastardized) to a roadster. A friend and I built up what I assumed was a Model A engine for it last fall. It is what I beleive is referred to as a Diamond Block - it has a small raised diamond on the block just above and behind the timing cover. I've noticed a few differences in this block compaired to my old one. Can anyone point me in the right direction to some info or threads on this style of block? Thanks. Luke
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Diamond blocks were replacement engines, produced until the late '30's if not later. Jay Steel (banger guru) at Taylor Engine reckons the best block to start with if building a tough banger is an A diamond. There were also B diamonds.
The casting is stronger around the rear main and have hardened valve seats already installed amongst other things.

Got an A diamond myself. Good engine.
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Got my engine back finally. Had real trouble finding a set of rings because it's 30 thou over, but it did mean that the bores were good so it only needed a hone and rings to make good again rather than new pistons at great expense.

Seems everyone has stopped doing white metalling as well because my man couldn't get the rods done. He stripped down 4 engines and found a bottom end that looked like it hadn't gone far. Not as good as new but it'll do me fine.

Took a couple of flywheels round to the post office. Stock one weighs 5.7Kg/12.5lbs and my lightened one weighs 4.9Kg/10.8lbs. Not in the realms of an aluminium flywheel but a damn sight better value at 25 mate rate!
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My only problem with Jay Steele ( Taylor Engines ) is that he drove my car at the last 66 hillclimb and he went too fast and the others couldn't stand the competition so they kicked me out of the speedster class....

I like it....
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I'm like Bill, I haven't used H&H but I have used Taylor Engine and can't fault them. Jay built me a fantastic engine and try as I might I haven't broken it yet. I went there on a recommendation from Limeworks who use him all the time for all kinds of engines. You've gotta remember I live something like 6000 miles from Whittier and I'd recommend anyone to travel that far for a service as good as Jay provided me!
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Went drag racing today. I managed to get 4 runs in as can be seen in the vids that follow!

Still chasing that 15 second ticket! Check out the e/t for the last vid.....

AAAAAHHHHH, so close!!

16.39@81mph.



16.22@82.04mph.



16.15@81mph.
Check out the jump on the Camaro!



16.06@82mph!!
Flicked the fan belt off for the last run.

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Clark,

Nice to meet you today.

Have to say that I was surprised how quick your car is off the line, I take it you will be putting in a return appearance for the 8th June meet in your quest for a 15??

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Enbloc - Is that the North Weald strip?? been several years since I went there!

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Ebloc, Is that the engine with the Lion head? Congratulations on that 16.06 82!
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Good times, Clark. Very good. Just got to make sure it gets to the reliability run now

Hey, Corn Coupe, I was at Drayton Manor today in the touring and saw your sport coupe. Very cool. Love the uppies. Looks like a real neat set-up.
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Hey, Corn Coupe, I was at Drayton Manor today in the touring and saw your sport coupe. Very cool. Love the uppies. Looks like a real neat set-up.[/quote]

Thanks - never saw the touring, must keep my eyes open more.
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Been a good weekend for me - got a parcel from Mac's on Saturday and have now fitted a whole new electrickery system from the battery up and a converter plate thingy with points and condenser up under the modern style cap and leads. Timed it via the pin like the book says and its running like clockwork - at last!

Still getting a weep from the fuel shut off inside and from the carb itself so some gasketry is called for - and the speedo cable snapped after about 40 foot of travel!

Onwards and upwards!

Soon be cruising in the sun... got a drag meet to attend near Paris soon too - I cant turn up in a daily euro-box to that!
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Put together a simple Speedster to have fun with this summer. Got it finished up enough last night to take it on a spin around the neighborhood. My kid's think its cool.

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Sure is. Weather was fantastic today, makes a change!

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Thanks Artiki, It definitely looks like a stouter block than a standard A - thicker castings and much larger oil tubes to the mains. Being a replacement engine may also explain why it was still standard bore when I got it. I took it out .040 and turned the crank to .020 under, new rods, pistons, did the valves and seats and installed a set of adjustable tappets. I was running a cheap aftermarket (Sears/Montgomery Wards) white metal carb, and I moved up to a Zenith B 2 weeks ago.

Hey brawler500, be careful, those speedster projects can turn into a full blown car if you're not careful, mine did.
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I was only there for an hour, between 12 & 1pm. Not my favourite show, to be honest, but is the most local. Seeing a row of 10 PT Cruisers reminds me why I don't go very often....
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Clark,

Nice to meet you today.

Have to say that I was surprised how quick your car is off the line, I take it you will be putting in a return appearance for the 8th June meet in your quest for a 15??

P.
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I think a proper track is going to be my best chance of that 15.

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I was only there for an hour, between 12 & 1pm. Not my favourite show, to be honest, but is the most local. Seeing a row of 10 PT Cruisers reminds me why I don't go very often....
' was way out back then enjoying a picnic away from it all.

Agree, totally, don't get me started on the difference between a kit car and .....................

But, I did manage to stop most of the day - and yep it is local. Looking forward to the 23rd, everything crossed

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What time you setting off?
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Artiki, I am curious as to what Dent did to you!!
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Ah....the quote "You're a jerk, Dent" come from the book 'Life, The Universe and Everthing', part of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series by Douglas Adams.
There is a character therein named Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged, who discovers the secret of eternal life only to get bored with it after a few million years. So to relieve the boredom, he resolves to insult everybody in the universe, in alphabetical order. The above line is the first thing he says when he encounters the hero of the Hitchhiker's books, Arthur Dent.

Always makes me laugh.
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I groan at myself that I knew what the quote was from...
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That's from the country that invented Bennie Hill!! Long live Bennie.
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Help

Does any one know of an engine front mount conversion from Model A to B for my 1928 truck.

Current two bolts in the cross member is the original

But with the B motor does not line up with the mounting holes

Or do I just drill some more holes ?

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Little late... but oh well. Still lots of work left...

Arttiki, that rules...
Mel!
That's great! Looks awesome!!

Is that going in the roadster behind the engine?? I remember you telling me via a PM,..I can't recall though.
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HA,..that's awesome!!
Do you have a dad who has a model A by chance? You look like a fellow i met last year at a car show who was with his father....

Great little ride ya got there!!!
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Dual Stromberg 81s with no fuel pump. Here is some video of it running!

ELROD : Talk to you on fordbard about stromberg carbs. Have you or any one else had dealings with Charlie Rice "Vintage Speed " they have 81's rebuilt for 175 plus 190 core . A pair on e-bay just went for a little under 400 each and need rebuilding. also does anyone else besides Red's make the dual outlet header

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ELROD : Talk to you on fordbard about stromberg carbs. Have you or any one else had dealings with Charlie Rice "Vintage Speed " they have 81's rebuilt for 175 plus 190 core . A pair on e-bay just went for a little under 400 each and need rebuilding. also does anyone else besides Red's make the dual outlet header

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AC&R said they were making there own, but no matter who you buy them from check the bend on the tubes at the plate, sometimes they crimp the end by bending them too short and restrict the flow. I have seen them closed to 1 3/16" Red's welded sealing ring eliminates this but it seem quality has dropped in recent months. Sacramento Vintage Ford offers headers as others. A local header shop quoted me $ 8800 to $ 900 for a set and Red's supplied a semi custom set for $185 when Red was still operating the business.
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This is my problem

any options would be great

I am not sure I can change the timing cover plate - I do not think it is as easy as that.

I am sure the model B is different to the A

any help would be great

I do not want to cut the cross member.

red cover is model a
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maybe I could make a model B style mount like the one in the picture - cardboard template. as per pics?

But the engine is now slightly raised at the front if I do this
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This is my problem

any options would be great

I am not sure I can change the timing cover plate - I do not think it is as easy as that.

I am sure the model B is different to the A

any help would be great

I do not want to cut the cross member.

red cover is model a
The main difference other than motor mount holes is the timing pin hole location is not in the same place. The "A" cover times at TDC and the 32 to 34 times at 19 degrees BTDC, I have a "B" distributor in my "A" engine with an "A" timing cover but I have the harmonic balancer degreed. You can buy timing kits that have a strip marked in degrees and uses the stock pulley. It looks like you have an early 28 frame.. if you don't want to cut the crossmember then use the "A" cover and figure out a way to time. I have an extra NU REX timing kit, PM me if you are interested.
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Posted this on the sprint car thread and it was buried.

Maybe it needed some REAL banger guys lookin' at it.

Miller Marine powered sprinter on the 'bay that got pulled after a day.
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That car is AMAZING!!!
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That lil sprinter is the bee's knees
What was the price at when it was pulled?
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Whoa.....

Simon, as Bill said, the only difference 'should' be the timing pin location. The only one I know of anyway...
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This is my problem

any options would be great

I am not sure I can change the timing cover plate - I do not think it is as easy as that.

I am sure the model B is different to the A

any help would be great

I do not want to cut the cross member.

red cover is model a
Simon, I have an early ,29 frame (Jan 1st), and it look as it there is a difference in the cross member (was your engine bolted straight to the frame at the front mounting?). Your cross member appears higher, mine uses a yolk bolted to the engine then down into the cross member, would Nervous be able to help? I think you will end up cutting the cross member!
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yes bolted straight into the cross member - the truck is from June 1928


Ok I have found a mod on page 401 of FORD Model A car by Page - I will scan and post.

The mod suggests to cut the cross member and shows how to fit a standard later model a mount.

But then the problem is that the standard model A mount does not mount up to the Model B mounting holes.

I may have to make a plate simular to the model B mount.

or buy the upgraded front float-a-motor kit and then weld on some tabs to it so it fits the model b mounting holes.

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I hate to cut anything, but I may have to.
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I hate to cut anything, but I may have to.

Same here, just thinking of fitting a B engine - so I'm interested to see how you get on, and what imrprovements to get from it......

Mind you I've still gotta find one first!
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http://www.modelaengine.com/

found this while looking for a engine mount
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Model B motor using a model B engine mount

found on the Miller site.


I found some engine mount kit at

http://www.vintageford.com/sect_sear...ngine%20Mounts

but none for the front - booo hooo


I could always buy a billet timing cover?



http://www.vintageford.com/sect_sear...ngine%20Timing
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That lil sprinter is the bee's knees
What was the price at when it was pulled?

It had a opening bid of $15K and didn't go anywhere for a day. The guy listed his phone number, so I would imagine somebody made the call. I would think the engine alone would bring that. A real Miller

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Model B motor using a model B engine mount

found on the Miller site.


I found some engine mount kit at

http://www.vintageford.com/sect_sear...e%20Mounts

but none for the front - booo hooo


I could always buy a billet timing cover?



http://www.vintageford.com/sect_sear...ngine%20Timing
The Sawracer is making some cast timing covers, he may have one with the timing pin hole located for the "B". My suggestion is to use the "A" cover and time the engine by ear. Just advance the spark until the engine kicks back then retard slightly, no big deal! I am assuming you are using the "B" distributor
http://idisk.mac.com/forever4/Public/index.htm#ignition Go to this site and scroll until you come to the motor mounts section
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...but then the problem is that the standard model A mount does not mount up to the Model B mounting holes.
Just fitted the B engine in my Sedan - stock A mount bolted up just fine to the diamond B block?
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This is my problem

any options would be great

I am not sure I can change the timing cover plate - I do not think it is as easy as that.

I am sure the model B is different to the A

any help would be great

I do not want to cut the cross member.

red cover is model a
Simon,

Firstly the chassis is a very early "AR". The front crossmember was taller to allow the engine to bolt directly to it.
This was found to cause excessive noise and vibration to be transmitted to the chassis. Also I believe with the flex from the chassis fighting the solid structure of the engine the chassis was prone to cracking.
Ford recognized this and changed over to the sprung front mount early on in production and also updated the dealers through the service bulletins stating that all cars in for a service should be changed to the new style mount, an early factory recall if you will!
I've a copy of the Ford instructions for this which involved cutting the lip off the crossmember and drilling new holes.

Moving on...

Your problem is the front timing cover. I don't know what it is but its not 'A' or 'B'!!



This photo shows a conventional front engine cover, the one that was removed from the car?
The mounting ears are in the very bottom corners of the mount.



Now compare it to the the cover from the engine your trying to fit to the car.
The mounting ears are not only a closer together but also alot higher up the cover as well!
So much difference in position that the left side mount is joined to the cam plunger!
Also notice the extra support ribbing on the odd ball front cover.

Simple solution... Fit the 'A' front cover from the engine you just removed. A 2 minute job that doesn't even need the engine removing to do.

NO cutting, billet front plates, accessory engine mounts needed.

Something to keep in mind is that if the rest of the car is 'AR' then it will have quite a few differences in parts.
Chassis, bellhousing, clutch, pedals, brake's are the parts that I can think of off the top of my head that are different from the "normal" A's.
Could cause alot of head scratching in the future if your not aware of the differences.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, I have a B going into an A frame, used the stock A mount, bolted right in...
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So what I have is an oddball cover off a small aircraft.

Anyone in the UK got a model B timing cover?
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So what I have is an oddball cover off a small aircraft.

Anyone in the UK got a model B timing cover?
http://idisk.mac.com/forever4/Public...mingcovers.htm This is site, if you can open it, that has photos and explains the changes in the timing covers. The cover with the elongated boss for the timing pin was used as a replacement after 1932 on both "A" and "B". The difference is the location of the hole. It also shows the difference between the early 28 cover and the later "A" cover. It appears that if you choose to use the later "A" or a "B" cover you will have to modify the crossmember.
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http://idisk.mac.com/forever4/Public...mingcovers.htm This is site, if you can open it, that has photos and explains the changes in the timing covers. The cover with the elongated boss for the timing pin was used as a replacement after 1932 on both "A" and "B". The difference is the location of the hole. It also shows the difference between the early 28 cover and the later "A" cover. It appears that if you choose to use the later "A" or a "B" cover you will have to modify the crossmember.
I tried to view all these on Vince's site earlier but the link was down. Emailed him saying the link didn't work as I had a hunch that the odd ball front cover was a '33-'34 one.

Now its back up.... Weird...

Looks like Simons cover is a '33-'34.

If the 'AR' chassis needs a '28 style front cover. What were you using with your 'A' engine Simon?
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The old motor looks like a a6019b which is used on most model A's 1928 1931


I spoke to Bob and he tells me he has a model b cover I can have.

From what I have seen I will not need to mod - but just change the timing cover.

so what I need is a B6019 model B cover.
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I have an old mod for the chassis in an old book I have from 1930

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I have almost no progress to report on the 5 main

The Drs cut my shoulder open and it's just stopped me from doing much

I'm now measurin' and looking at it all.

This is gonna take a year for the arm to work so I got lottsa time to just look and design bits

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The Drs cut my shoulder open and it's just stopped me from doing much

I'm now measurin' and looking at it all.

This is gonna take a year for the arm to work so I got lottsa time to just look and design bits

Here's a photo for those that forgot what it looks like.......
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Bluto,

You need to stop hefting all those 328 heads around!

Hope you're feeling better soon (shoulders aren't fun to mess with- I've got a rotated cuff that sounds like I have gravel in there... feels like it too).

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Well I got the B cover today. I am going to try it tonight...
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I have a question, it may have been covered before but I did not see it in this post. Is anyone out there running a newer 5 spd like a t5 behind their A or B motor?

Also has anyone had any experience with Scalded Dog Speed PArts in OH?

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I think there is a conversion kit you can buy for that
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I found a mention on one guys web page. I was curious as to wheter anyine here as actually done it though. Sounds like it would make it nicer for regular driving.
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I posted a couple of months back (well, closer to a couple of years now) about my banger counter rotating (after a backfire) and seizing up. I finally got a chance to tear into it. Real long story short; the darn ring gear had come part way off and wedged between the bell housing and flywheel. The ring gear is back in place (with the help of a few tack welds) and the banger is back on the road!!
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Actually it os a pretty common conversion, The S O S S magazine and the FAST newsletter have had articles on the conversion. If you scroll back a few pages you will see a very good looking enclosed drive line adapter. Cornhusker makes an adapter for S10 to a early V8 flathead that will bolt up to the "A" to V8 trans adapter. Probably the most popular DYI is to use an "AA" bell housing. There is an article with photos on how to do it and make an adapter for the torque tube drive line in the S O S S or maybe FAST
As to Scalded Dog, they have quite a selection, but most on the forum prefer "oldies but goodies". I have seen some dyno test that show good power but I personally don't have any experience with them with the exception that I'm using their rocker stands on my original Riley 2 port. The parts required some "massaging" to fit but were well made. I use the term original as C Yapp has made some changes to the original design. I think he has eliminated the problem with the originals tendency to crack The Scalded Dog cam is actually Mike Hart's version of the Winfield SU1R. I have a SU1R ground by Mike Hart and have one by Jim Brierley. The Hart version doesn't have as much lift as the J Brierley. It has more lope at idle but my experience is the J Brieley is faster. The J Brierly has roughly .060 more lift. Iim says that he knows of maybe 5 different grinds call SU1R.
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Also has anyone had any experience with Scalded Dog Speed PArts in OH?

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I have a question, it may have been covered before but I did not see it in this post. Is anyone out there running a newer 5 spd like a t5 behind their A or B motor?

Thanks
Steve Serr sells a complete conversion for model A to T-5 for open and soon for closed drive line. Follow this link:

http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/parts.htm

The kit includes bellhousing and peddel mounts

I'm using a T-5 in my roadster and love it!!!!!!
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Here's a teaser of a new timing cover that will be available soon.
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The kit includes bellhousing and peddel mounts

I'm using a T-5 in my roadster and love it!!!!!!
I run a five speed in my pick up with a relatively mild to stock banger and its a dream!
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:08 AM   #190
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Hey Sawracer, Wow!!!!
More info as and when please.....
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:38 AM   #191
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I'm running a T-5 behind a B engine with an original CRAGAR head. Combine that with an F-100 steering box and hydraulic brakes and you have one sweet driver. I used the kit out of Iowa or Ohio and use every opportunity to discourage people from buying that particular kit. Keeping the closed drive line is far and away the better way to go.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:57 AM   #192
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Artiki, As soon as it gets a few miles under its belt and I am confident there are no issues it will be available. I am hoping less than thirty days.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:17 AM   #193
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Keeping the closed drive line is far and away the better way to go.
How do you keep the closed driveline with the 5 spd?

Couple other questions:

Will a wheels fit juice brake drums?

Is there any way to put brakes on a T that would have origionally been brakeless?

Anyone running a larger wheel in the front (19") with a smaller on in the back(16")?
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:06 AM   #194
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How do you keep the closed driveline with the 5 spd?
Read post #188 above and also see this thread:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=256226
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:04 AM   #195
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As for Scalded Dog, I have one of Mr. Yapps Equalizer intakes I'm setting up for my Big motor. Good casting, fine machining,fast shipping.Its a plenum design. Working on a pair of 97's with progressive linlage.I've had good dealings with them,and may order the oversize valve set.
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:09 AM   #196
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Sawracer - I want one ...

dam they are nice

a good mod would be to make it for an A or a B - maybe some sort of block off.

any way put on the B cover and all is well and mounted.

Fantastic...
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