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Technical ***Fall is in the air: October 2014 Banger Meet***

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jiminy, Oct 3, 2014.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Here is the banger link list .


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=6

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://www.centuryperformance.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/The-High-Speed-Internal-Combustion-Engine-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

    Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

    If anyone knows of more, please post them.

    " I've tried nothing ...and I'm all out of ideas."

    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226
     
  2. Bluto
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    OK Our 1930 Rosengart parts showed up today--- New billet crank and rods, Forged pistons, very large oil pump and modified front cover. …… This means we go from splash and hope to full pressure! I need some Stainless steel valves. Gotta put the flywheel on a diet.

    Rosengart is a French version of an English Austin 7. Ours is a Delivery van.
    So we are back building a banger …… 45 cid
     

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  3. Crazydaddyo
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    Wow, is it October already?

    Thanks for the link.
     
  4. denis4x4
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    from Colorado

    Had a great time at the Georgetown hill climb last month. Had some issues with wheel hop and it turned out that the 5.50 x 16 Excelsors bias plys were out of round. No more bias plys are available so went with 6.00 X 16 radials. Now I had to order some 7.00 X 16 radials as the 6.50 bias plys looked like crap with the radials.
     
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  5. Bluto
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    Honest you shouldn't go fast on Excelsors. EVER!
     
  6. RussTee
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    Bluto sounds like you have a real interesting project there we have two ford Ys one restored and one I will have a bit of a play with once I have finished the B overhead rebuild. Austin 7s go real well with a bit of a tinker, Here in NZ they seem to be the car to make a vintage special out of with large numbers turning up to vintage race meets we even have a vintage factory special known as the rubber ducky that goes well.
     
  7. Bluto
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    I think the "Duck" is back in the UK , maybe.

    Rosengart is a four spring car. I have an extra chassis to make a racer of.
     
  8. RussTee
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    Maybe it is one of those cars that gets around not the most compeditive nowdays but guess that is because of what it is still a very important car and great to see
     
  9. Bluto
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    Duck IS a Factory Supercharged Brooklands race car

    I'd rather have a DO-Fronty
     
  10. RussTee
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    DO fronty or any other do cam banger motor would be my choice as well just cant seem to find them
     
  11. Bluto
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    Did you know I ustta own a T-Head Mercer?
    I have been a pretty lucky guy.
     
  12. johnneilson
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    Russ,
    DO motors are out there and if not complete, the parts are around.
    I have seen 3 HALs in the last couple months.

    J
     
  13. RussTee
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    John I live down where the air is getting warmer unfortunatlly they are not so common down here in New Zealand evan as parts. Bluto I have seen a few veteran Mercers here but dont recall a T headed one
     
  14. RussTee
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    Lately I did see one interesting motor being built up in a historic old car body it was a curtiss aircraft motor with millar overhead valve gear all the componets on this car are veteran that is pre 1919 cant wait to hear it run
     
  15. johnneilson
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    Russ,
    I am sure that you are right about that.
    I am convinced that most of these types of items are regional.
    I do know for a fact that I was born at least 1 generation too late, maybe two.

    John
    BTW, if my Friend ever gets his butt in gear we will be finishing up a DO4V head this winter.
     
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  16. Bluto
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    The T-Head was a wonderful car tho drive . I once drove mine out of Singapore and up to Penang thru the estates That car always got me home.

    Can't really see well enough to drive anything anymore.

    Russ I once had my hands on a 1905 Curtiss Air Cooled V-8. I sold it for a friend. It was a lovely little thing you could carry in your arms

    I'm with you John 1937 was a wonderful time for gear heads. 'Specially in California
     
  17. RussTee
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    Bluto this is also a air cooled v8 going into what was the second coachbuilt body of a factory racing prince henry vaxhall the original car having been restored to factory specs and having quite a history.
    John we seemed to get quite a lot of early Tee speed equipment here then a little A stuff but I guess the depresion hit hard here and cut out the double overhead cam stuff
     
  18. Bluto
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    The 1905 motor was very small way less than a meter long. There are air-cooled conversions on OX-5 motors
     
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  19. RussTee
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    Maybe I should go back and take a closer look Bluto I always liked this engine and it sounds like the one you describe its an awsum project and is moving along well being done by someone who will finish it they also have a nice collection of Bugs in the back shed
     
  20. Bluto
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    I suspect the engine is an OX-5 since the tiny 1905 engine wouldn't really pull the Vauxhall around. In add-on to the generally accepted notion that there are less than 1/2 dozen of the little engines around.
     
  21. noboD
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    Bluto, it's 46 and the leaves are changing color. Wish you going to Hershey this year.Say hi to Mrs. Bluto.
     
  22. RichFox
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    I posted this on Zendog's thread but if you don't pay any attention to that. Here is todays picture of the 318 head adapted to a '26 Dodge Bros banger. It's getting there. ontheblock.JPG
     
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  23. RussTee
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    Amazing amount of work one mistake and you throw it all away well done
     
  24. nosdan
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    I'm planning to run a Winfield 6.8:1 comp head on an otherwise stock model a motor. What should be upgraded on the bottom end to accommodate? I'm also running a single downdraft 94. Thanks!


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  25. Crazydaddyo
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    Convert to insert bearings.
    Don't forget a bigger cam.
    Modern pistons would be prudent too.
     
  26. Crazydaddyo
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    This is what happens when you run stock pistons @ 7.5:1

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  27. Wow, not good.

    Streetrods are drivin' by Chevy, Hotrods are powered by Ford!
     
  28. Did it screw up the cylinder wall?

    Streetrods are drivin' by Chevy, Hotrods are powered by Ford!
     
  29. Crazydaddyo
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    No damage other then the broken piston. I broke while idling at a stop light.

    I bought new modern pistons, broke the glaze on the cylinder walls with a hone in a cordless drill, and drove it for another 10,000 miles. Including at least 50 passes down the drag strip and hill climb.
     
  30. RussTee
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    Nosdan lighten the flywheel think of all that weight stopping and starting what he strain the crankshaft. Stock model As are built as slow speed slugging motors hence the heavy flywheel.
     

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