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banjeaux bob · 10-31-2011, 01:15 AM

Here are some images of a 1952 Allard J2.It's being restored by Marc Hendrix in Belgium.These are his images.

It has a 392 Chrysler Hemi,Ford transmission,Ford front axle,and Ford rear axle.

The job is not finnished yet.The pictures may not be in order or labeled.As they say...one picture is worth a thousand words! This saves me from many typing errors too!

BanjeauX Bob

von birch · 10-31-2011, 07:40 AM

very cool. big american hot rod motors in very elegant european looking car. never knew the ford front axle were split into an independent front suspension on allards. you learn somethin new every day!

Unclee · 10-31-2011, 09:27 AM

And the rear suspension! Ford center section with, was it swing axles? Gotta go back and look, but inboard drums. Rather exotic rear and rather truck like front. Wild, wonder how they handled, and what the weight is.

Went back and looked, and it looks like a full independent in the rear.

kurtis · 10-31-2011, 09:32 AM

Bob, what's the history of this car?

**Ole don** · 10-31-2011, 09:37 AM

What is amazing is the wheels survived the hemi!

kurtis · 10-31-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by banjeaux bob

Kurtis,I have yet to find that out.

Bob, i asked only because it reminded me of Bill Pollack's J2, seen here at Pebble Beach in 1953, although this was powered by Cadillac.

**Mr48chev** · 10-31-2011, 10:44 AM

Quite the car. One would have to think that most of those were pretty well documented as to race history and ownership records much like the Ferrari's of the same period.

von birch · 10-31-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unclee

And the rear suspension! Ford center section with, was it swing axles? Gotta go back and look, but inboard drums. Rather exotic rear and rather truck like front. Wild, wonder how they handled, and what the weight is.

Went back and looked, and it looks like a full independent in the rear.

didnt even notice, thats amazing...never heard of anything like that before...

propwash · 10-31-2011, 07:21 PM

DeDion rear end, about the only IRS at that time that would handle the big Yankee V8s. All J2 and J2Xs used the IFS split beam axles from Ford. These things are a handful to drive, and you have to appreciate the guys that hurtled through the countryside at breakneck speeds. These were MEN's cars, and for the most part, they still are (if you can find one).

dj

cruzr · 11-01-2011, 12:26 AM

Limeworks just finished a Allard, only Cad powered

LowKat · 11-01-2011, 02:41 AM

That'd have to be fun to drive.
Talk about steer by throttle!

Allard Register · 11-04-2011, 11:57 PM

Bob, do you know what the chassis number is?
Cheers,
Colin

jandlcars · 11-05-2011, 12:08 AM

i did a later allard in no ca after flood
it had a 392 chrystler buick dynaflo trans dedeon rear with ford diferental center section

jandlcars · 11-05-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by banjeaux bob

How did she handle when you drove it hard?

never got to drive on the road
the sar was striped for painting just moved it around

jandlcars · 11-05-2011, 09:03 PM

the rear end had jag inbord brakes
the axel shaft was ford outer berring ford and a 205 inner made careyer
i think the front suspention was MGA had that big crosmember
just like the one on my friends chevway

davo461 · 11-08-2011, 11:45 PM

I seem to recall that at least some of them had a split Ford I beam front suspension. I have seen some pics showing front wheels at funny angles.

**The37Kid** · 11-09-2011, 01:34 AM

Thanks Bob! First time I've ever seen an Allard all apart. There are two ARDUN powered Allards within an hours drive of my house. Years ago there was one here in town just parked in a driveway, I'll always regret not stoping to ask about it, long gone now. Bob

**Limey Steve** · 11-15-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by banjeaux bob

Body and frame

The holes he filled were the same as in ours, the tail light holes, really crude but hidden when the tail light is installed. Brilliant cars our car drives so nice it's incredible, yet to be driven in anger though !!!!!
Good luck with the resto , it will be a ton of fun. The one we did was a J2X with the front wishbones going forward to push the engine forward for more leg room .

**scootermcrad** · 11-18-2011, 06:27 PM

Such amazing cars! I love the use of the early ford center section while converted to IRS with inboard drum brakes! Insane!

Steve, Did the Allard you guys just finished have IRS similar to this as well or something else?? I don't recall last time I was there...

darrylkmc · 11-22-2011, 02:27 PM

Bob,

There used to be an Allard here in Fairbanks back in the early 80's. I saw it one time, it had a Cadillac engine in it.

Darryl in Fairbanks

10-31-2011, 01:15 AM	#1
banjeaux bob Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: alaska Posts: 1,433	1952 Allard J2 Here are some images of a 1952 Allard J2.It's being restored by Marc Hendrix in Belgium.These are his images. It has a 392 Chrysler Hemi,Ford transmission,Ford front axle,and Ford rear axle. The job is not finnished yet.The pictures may not be in order or labeled.As they say...one picture is worth a thousand words! This saves me from many typing errors too! BanjeauX Bob Attached Thumbnails

10-31-2011, 07:40 AM	#2
von birch Grenade Inspector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: hanover, PA Posts: 262	Re: 1952 Allard J2 very cool. big american hot rod motors in very elegant european looking car. never knew the ford front axle were split into an independent front suspension on allards. you learn somethin new every day!

10-31-2011, 09:27 AM	#3
Unclee Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: somewhere south'a Houston, in Texas City Posts: 2,060	Re: 1952 Allard J2 And the rear suspension! Ford center section with, was it swing axles? Gotta go back and look, but inboard drums. Rather exotic rear and rather truck like front. Wild, wonder how they handled, and what the weight is. Went back and looked, and it looks like a full independent in the rear. __________________ UNCLEE!!!!!

10-31-2011, 09:32 AM	#4
kurtis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Bob, what's the history of this car?

10-31-2011, 09:37 AM	#5
Ole don Alliance Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern Illinois half way between Benton and DuQuoin Posts: 2,455	Re: 1952 Allard J2 What is amazing is the wheels survived the hemi!

10-31-2011, 10:44 AM	#7
Mr48chev Alliance Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Yakima Valley, WA Posts: 15,420	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Quite the car. One would have to think that most of those were pretty well documented as to race history and ownership records much like the Ferrari's of the same period. __________________ Definition of a "work car". One you have to work on all weekend so you can drive it to work the next week.

10-31-2011, 07:21 PM	#9
propwash Old School HAMBer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,734	Re: 1952 Allard J2 DeDion rear end, about the only IRS at that time that would handle the big Yankee V8s. All J2 and J2Xs used the IFS split beam axles from Ford. These things are a handful to drive, and you have to appreciate the guys that hurtled through the countryside at breakneck speeds. These were MEN's cars, and for the most part, they still are (if you can find one). dj

11-01-2011, 12:26 AM	#10
cruzr Old School HAMBer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: So Cal..Orange County Posts: 3,919	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Limeworks just finished a Allard, only Cad powered __________________ Fenders belong in guitar cases

11-01-2011, 02:41 AM	#11
LowKat Old School HAMBer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Beavercreek, Oreegone Posts: 8,877	Re: 1952 Allard J2 That'd have to be fun to drive. Talk about steer by throttle! __________________ . ~Mark My 1948 F1 & a canned ham: The Rattle Can Rebuild

11-04-2011, 11:57 PM	#12
Allard Register FNG Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Fresyes Posts: 26	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Bob, do you know what the chassis number is? Cheers, Colin

11-05-2011, 12:08 AM	#13
jandlcars Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Milton FL Originaly San Rafael CA Posts: 788	Re: 1952 Allard J2 i did a later allard in no ca after flood it had a 392 chrystler buick dynaflo trans dedeon rear with ford diferental center section __________________ I Am Here By The Grace of God

11-05-2011, 09:03 PM	#15
jandlcars Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Milton FL Originaly San Rafael CA Posts: 788	Re: 1952 Allard J2 the rear end had jag inbord brakes the axel shaft was ford outer berring ford and a 205 inner made careyer i think the front suspention was MGA had that big crosmember just like the one on my friends chevway __________________ I Am Here By The Grace of God

11-08-2011, 11:45 PM	#16
davo461 Grenade Inspector Join Date: May 2007 Location: Yarram, Victoria, Australia Posts: 242	Re: 1952 Allard J2 I seem to recall that at least some of them had a split Ford I beam front suspension. I have seen some pics showing front wheels at funny angles.

11-09-2011, 01:34 AM	#17
The37Kid Alliance Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Posts: 15,693	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Thanks Bob! First time I've ever seen an Allard all apart. There are two ARDUN powered Allards within an hours drive of my house. Years ago there was one here in town just parked in a driveway, I'll always regret not stoping to ask about it, long gone now. Bob __________________ Having the project is what makes me happy, finishing it isn't something I think about.

11-18-2011, 06:27 PM	#19
scootermcrad Alliance Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Charlotte/Concord, NC Posts: 12,914	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Such amazing cars! I love the use of the early ford center section while converted to IRS with inboard drum brakes! Insane! Steve, Did the Allard you guys just finished have IRS similar to this as well or something else?? I don't recall last time I was there... __________________ Like early Hemis? Click the banner below... My blog: scootermcrad.blogspot.com

11-22-2011, 02:27 PM	#20
darrylkmc FNG Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Fairbanks Alaska Posts: 4	Re: 1952 Allard J2 Bob, There used to be an Allard here in Fairbanks back in the early 80's. I saw it one time, it had a Cadillac engine in it. Darryl in Fairbanks

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