The Jalopy Journal

**Jive-Bomber** · 07-21-2011, 10:39 AM

I was just thumbing through my 2010 Rules and Records book from the SCTA, looking at the classes, vehicle types and dates the records were made. Most of them were 10 years old or less, and only a handful went back to the early 90s. And that makes sen...

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**BrandonB** · 07-21-2011, 12:17 PM

Let's not forget Burt and his 1000CC or less record set in 1967 when he was 68 on his 1920 Indian

BangerMatt · 07-21-2011, 12:30 PM

Steam land speed record was set in 1906, and wasn't broken until 2009.

RodStRace · 07-21-2011, 12:33 PM

Cool stuff! I love that last auto union pic.
More info
http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/072105/content.shtml

**RichFox** · 07-21-2011, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BangerMatt

Steam land speed record was set in 1906, and wasn't broken until 2009.

What about the "Steamin Demon. 145.607 mph in 08/85? That was the record when the Brits ran. I had the XO/BGAlt record from 1980 until 2009 when those Salt Cat guys stomped all over it. It's good that records get bumped. Means people are running in the class. Mine lasted because nobody cared. And NSU had two bikes there. A small one with the 50cc engine and a small rider. And the pictured larger bike with the larger engine and rider.

Deuce_Eddie · 07-21-2011, 12:52 PM

A true gentleman driver and a proper man... you had to have balls to take one of those Auto-Union monsters and drive them they way they did... can you imagine trying to tame 600 methanol-fuelled horses on skinny 30's tyre technology on cobbled street circuits? Modern drivers pale in comparison. I always get a sense of true admiration for these fellas.

NSU was at its height in this late pre-war and early post-war years, and records made great headlines... you see a lot of manufacturers after that particular grail in this period. MG, Abarth, Gordini, Nardi... most every manufacturer with sporting credentials had a go at some point at this game of speed records.

I agree that they probably had one or two motorcycles and simply swapped over the engine bits to claim any particular record.

A great insight into a golden era... fabulous stuff!

Cheers, Eddie

BangerMatt · 07-21-2011, 12:58 PM

I guess the record for Steamin' Demon wasn't official because the doors flew open and the car caught fire.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...00908415368785

Tman · 07-21-2011, 01:04 PM

We have discussed this on landracing.com. Classes change, rules change and as Rich noted certain combos get forgotton. All of these can "strand" a record for time.

revkev6 · 07-21-2011, 03:19 PM

what is his 50cc blown record then??

Flingdingo · 07-21-2011, 04:00 PM

Blown fuel? 50cc?? Am I the only one picturing a 6-71 Jimmy perched on top of a weed whacker?

**RoadFarmer** · 07-21-2011, 04:17 PM

Blown fuel 50cc.......hmmmm maybe we have a new class for the LSRU mini bike races! haha

revkev6 · 07-21-2011, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flingdingo

Blown fuel? 50cc?? Am I the only one picturing a 6-71 Jimmy perched on top of a weed whacker?

What are you crazy? I think a 4-71 would be plenty...

**RichFox** · 07-21-2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BangerMatt

I guess the record for Steamin' Demon wasn't official because the doors flew open and the car caught fire.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Steam-Car-Record-British-Team-Set-News-Top-Land-Speed-Record-For-Steam-Powered-Vehicle/Article/200908415368785

Interesting read but not true. If you want to research records, I would recommend the BNI-SCTA record book. I'm going to stick with my previous post. Don't forget the Brits had plenty of corporate Pounds Sterling invested in that effort. They didn't want to come right out and mention it was slow.

**RichFox** · 07-21-2011, 04:27 PM

The 50cc bike went 121.700 in '56. In 2007 the Buddfab unblown 50cc fuel streamliner went 131.545. Makes the '56 record all the more amazing

revkev6 · 07-21-2011, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichFox

The 50cc bike went 121.700 in '56. In 2007 the Buddfab unblown 50cc fuel streamliner went 131.545. Makes the '56 record all the more amazing

Wow any idea if it was two or four stroke?

autobilly · 07-21-2011, 07:35 PM

All very interesting, including the "to and fro". Thanks guys.

Deuce_Eddie · 07-21-2011, 07:44 PM

I'd wager on a mix of the two types, NSU played a lot with both types in motorcycles until the mid-60's when they got heavily into the Wankel engine for building the ultimate modern car (the Ro80), which pretty much sealed their fate.

Cheers, Eddie

plan9 · 07-21-2011, 07:58 PM

the record we run against at El Mirage has stood since 1983! Its a tough one!

MUNDSTER · 07-21-2011, 09:03 PM

This is what I was into in my earlier days, vintage motorcycle racing, German to be exact. It laid the ground work for the traditional hotrod life I lead today, thank you so much for the post. Love those hand beaten dust bin fairings!

firingorder1 · 07-21-2011, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revkev6

Wow any idea if it was two or four stroke?

Two stroke.

07-21-2011, 10:39 AM	#1
Jive-Bomber Alliance Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Moraga, Ca Posts: 2,419	How long can a record stand? I was just thumbing through my 2010 Rules and Records book from the SCTA, looking at the classes, vehicle types and dates the records were made. Most of them were 10 years old or less, and only a handful went back to the early 90s. And that makes sen... To read the rest of this blog entry from The Jalopy Journal, click here.

07-21-2011, 12:17 PM	#2
BrandonB Alliance Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: no cal Posts: 2,223	Re: How long can a record stand? Let's not forget Burt and his 1000CC or less record set in 1967 when he was 68 on his 1920 Indian

07-21-2011, 12:30 PM	#3
BangerMatt Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Islip Terrace, NY Posts: 451	Re: How long can a record stand? Steam land speed record was set in 1906, and wasn't broken until 2009.

07-21-2011, 12:33 PM	#4
RodStRace Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chino Valley Posts: 1,800	Re: How long can a record stand? Cool stuff! I love that last auto union pic. More info http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/072105/content.shtml __________________ don't carve out a wooden wrench just 'cause it will be lighter and you have the wood on hand.

07-21-2011, 12:52 PM	#6
Deuce_Eddie Grenade Inspector Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Portugal Posts: 122	Re: How long can a record stand? A true gentleman driver and a proper man... you had to have balls to take one of those Auto-Union monsters and drive them they way they did... can you imagine trying to tame 600 methanol-fuelled horses on skinny 30's tyre technology on cobbled street circuits? Modern drivers pale in comparison. I always get a sense of true admiration for these fellas. NSU was at its height in this late pre-war and early post-war years, and records made great headlines... you see a lot of manufacturers after that particular grail in this period. MG, Abarth, Gordini, Nardi... most every manufacturer with sporting credentials had a go at some point at this game of speed records. I agree that they probably had one or two motorcycles and simply swapped over the engine bits to claim any particular record. A great insight into a golden era... fabulous stuff! Cheers, Eddie __________________ "Research history. Learn from it. It’s all there. Let it become intrinsic to your work." - Lowsquire

07-21-2011, 12:58 PM	#7
BangerMatt Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Islip Terrace, NY Posts: 451	Re: How long can a record stand? I guess the record for Steamin' Demon wasn't official because the doors flew open and the car caught fire. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...00908415368785

07-21-2011, 01:04 PM	#8
Tman Old School HAMBer Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beautifull Black Hills of South Dakota Posts: 28,173	Re: How long can a record stand? We have discussed this on landracing.com. Classes change, rules change and as Rich noted certain combos get forgotton. All of these can "strand" a record for time. __________________ Open for business, website in developement www.compulsionrodandcustom.com

07-21-2011, 03:19 PM	#9
revkev6 Old School HAMBer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ma Posts: 2,742	Re: How long can a record stand? what is his 50cc blown record then??

07-21-2011, 04:00 PM	#10
Flingdingo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: El Segundo, CA Posts: 493	Re: How long can a record stand? Blown fuel? 50cc?? Am I the only one picturing a 6-71 Jimmy perched on top of a weed whacker?

07-21-2011, 04:17 PM	#11
RoadFarmer Alliance Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Earth, Texas (yes it really is the town's name) Posts: 2,855	Re: How long can a record stand? Blown fuel 50cc.......hmmmm maybe we have a new class for the LSRU mini bike races! haha __________________ Steven Boschma "That can't be your car, that must be your Moma's car"

07-21-2011, 04:27 PM	#14
RichFox Alliance Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: San Mateo, Ca. Posts: 6,025	Re: How long can a record stand? The 50cc bike went 121.700 in '56. In 2007 the Buddfab unblown 50cc fuel streamliner went 131.545. Makes the '56 record all the more amazing

07-21-2011, 07:35 PM	#16
autobilly Old School HAMBer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tweed, Australia Posts: 2,524	Re: How long can a record stand? All very interesting, including the "to and fro". Thanks guys. __________________ RETRO Spec. (tive) -Getting to where you're going by knowing where you've come from.

07-21-2011, 07:44 PM	#17
Deuce_Eddie Grenade Inspector Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Portugal Posts: 122	Re: How long can a record stand? I'd wager on a mix of the two types, NSU played a lot with both types in motorcycles until the mid-60's when they got heavily into the Wankel engine for building the ultimate modern car (the Ro80), which pretty much sealed their fate. Cheers, Eddie __________________ "Research history. Learn from it. It’s all there. Let it become intrinsic to your work." - Lowsquire

07-21-2011, 07:58 PM	#18
plan9 Old School HAMBer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: long beach, CA. Posts: 3,877	Re: How long can a record stand? the record we run against at El Mirage has stood since 1983! Its a tough one! __________________ Panel Beaters CC / Sidewinders

07-21-2011, 09:03 PM	#19
MUNDSTER Grenade Inspector Join Date: May 2011 Location: Calistoga, Ca Posts: 115	Re: How long can a record stand? This is what I was into in my earlier days, vintage motorcycle racing, German to be exact. It laid the ground work for the traditional hotrod life I lead today, thank you so much for the post. Love those hand beaten dust bin fairings!

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