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Old 04-30-2009, 08:50 AM   #1
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It's 1941. Buddy Shay and Frank VanDersahl had been campaigning a midget car for a couple of years, but their Chrysler 4-banger just wasn't cutting the mustard anymore. The v8-60 cars at their local track in Denver, CO were blowing them off and the...

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Old 04-30-2009, 09:11 AM   #2
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That has to be the strangest solution to getting competitive that I've ever heard of. I sure hope other HAMBers will come up with more info.

The more I think of it, I'll bet a bag of donuts that one or the other of those guys had some aircraft background. Inverted engines were very common in the 20's and 30's.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:22 AM   #3
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Not a "sprint car". It was a midget.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:27 AM   #4
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i'd like to see that happen again. so crazy seein that. messes with my mind a lil.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:29 AM   #5
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Not a "sprint car". It was a midget.
Thanks man. Fixed.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:33 AM   #6
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Strange is an apt word Rich...................who else woulda thunk it?
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:35 AM   #7
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They run upside down in Australia all the time !!
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:39 AM   #8
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They run upside down in Australia all the time !!
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:41 AM   #9
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I don't even know what to say.
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The innovation of Hot Rodders never ceases to amaze me , that is quite remarkable, what were they drinking to come up with that solution in the 1st place, quite brilliant.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:50 AM   #11
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I'm not 100% sure but I think they weren't the only ones to try this... I think there were a couple other upside down flattys as well...

I'll go through my books and see if I can find them...
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:59 AM   #12
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Ryan, where did you find this pic/story?? I read about this car probably about ten years ago. I want to say it was in one of the hot rodding books my uncle had but can't really recall exactly where?
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:01 AM   #13
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Ryan, where did you find this pic/story?? I read about this car probably about ten years ago. I want to say it was in one of the hot rodding books my uncle had but can't really recall exactly where?
I originally saw it in a Don Montgomery book I think? In any case, I found it this time on autohistory.org.
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Hey, hold my beer, I got an idea.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:17 AM   #15
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Huh..wierd..
how do they oil the lower end?..I'd like to know more about the oiling system changes , as to how it ran this way with out some starvation issues.
not to mention possibly filling up a piston bore behind the piston with oil before fire up..or if that would even be an issue..wild shit man
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:18 AM   #16
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THAT, is the definition of "what if..."
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:18 AM   #17
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I originally saw it in a Don Montgomery book I think? In any case, I found it this time on autohistory.org.

i'm sure that's where I saw it. He's got a few don montgomery books. Gotta put them on my christmas list
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:22 AM   #18
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Huh..wierd..
how do they oil the lower end?..I'd like to know more about the oiling system changes , as to how it ran this way with out some starvation issues.
not to mention possibly filling up a piston bore behind the piston with oil before fire up..or if that would even be an issue..wild shit man

gotta think of this just like an old radial engine. you would put the car in gear and back it off a couple times to push the oil out before you fired it up. Used to do this with mech. injected VW motors to make sure the cylinders didn't fill up with fuel between runs.

on the oiling issues, I bet it really wasn't bad. they probably used a dry sump and the lifter valley was the sump. reverse rotation is an interesting idea on the ovals
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:40 AM   #19
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Hey, hold my beer, I got an idea.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Great story!
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