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Features VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1965 and older only please.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Joshua Shaw, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. s55mercury66
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    Tognotti was selling Trostle chassis, and had purchased 6 of them to sell, so yes, Bob did build the first few. Tognotti took one and went to California Cycle Works and had them copy it. Rick Ferkel, sponsored by Kear's, who had a deal to sell Tognottis, got to give some input that was put to use, one item being the motor plate location. Rick divulged that detail in an Open Wheel article, from 1980 or 81 if memory serves correctly. I have heard that CK Spurlock was also selling Trostle chassis, and the first Gamblers were also Trostle copies. Corrections welcome.
     
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  2. Need some help with this sprint that is being restored. It was raced in the north east. We are to the point now of trying to ID the names of the owner, driver, mechanic on the side of the cowl. Can anyone help with this?
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  3. Michael Ferner
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    I think the owner is Dick Morris of Arlington/VA, and the driver probably Danny Daniels of Batavia/NY. Sorry, no idea about the mechanic. Based on the number, the year is probably 1960, and the track looks like Shangri-La in Owego/NY. This car usually ran the URC circuit, from 1957 to '63 or thereabouts. Has probably a prior history, but I have no clues as to what it could have been.
     
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  4. Received an email from the owner of the #8 today. He asked if I would post his comments in the hope that it might jog the memory of other readers. So, here is the copy:


    As @vtwhead has said, we are restoring the Dick Morris Chevy # 8 and would like to get the names of the, we suspect, owner – driver- and mechanic correct as painted on the side of the body. More importantly, we would like to make contact with Mr. Morris or his Family or anyone else who could shed some light on this early owner. There was a Richard Morris, listed as being from Arlington,VA, who placed 13th in 1952, and 11th in 1953 in the Owner Point Standings with the N.A.R.A. A Dick Morris placed 33rd as an Owner with N.A.R.A. in 1954. Can we assume this was the same man?

    The car is rather distinctive in that it is right hand steer, meaning the draglink is on the right hand side of the car. The car has been further confused with the Ellis Brothers #8
    that raced about the same time and was also black or dark blue and sometimes also piloted by Danny Daniels of Batavia, NY who seems to have been a favorite driver of Mr. Morris as well.

    Under the U.R.C., Dick Morris placed 9th in the Car Owner Standings in 1957, 9th again in 1958, 8th in 1959 and 7th in 1960.

    The photo of #8 that begins this thread was loaned to us by the man who took it, Lou Ensworth of Allegany, NY, on June 2nd, 1963 at Shangri-La Speedway in Owego, NY.
    I assume that Mr. Morris is standing and that Mr. Daniels is the Driver. As for the names painted on the side of the car, under magnification it appears that they might all begin with “M”, one might be a “Jr” and the third is totally unknown. Was it a family operation?

    If you are lucky enough to have a copy of “Tow Money” Vol. 1, there is an interesting story and photo of Bill Holland driving the Dick Morris Buick, a power plant he presumably
    tried before settling on the Chevrolet. see page 105. It is 1958 at Flemington NJ and the car is, again, a #8 but with left hand steering. A wholly different car? Who knows.....

    In the same book on page 99 Mr. Morris is pictured with a group of other well known URC personnel. He seems to be wearing a bandage on his forehead and a very nice embroidered shirt with the “Morris” logo. The gentleman obviously took his machinery and persona seriously.

    Now it seems to me that an owner who did as well as Mr. Morris, over such a stretch of time, hasn’t just evaporated from memory. We have fragmentary evidence that he once listed Falls Church VA as home earlier in his career, but more often is associated with Arlington, VA as home.

    Is there not someone who could help lead us to the Morris or Daniels families? Yes, I know, I was only 11 years old when that picture was taken, but there is a good chance I was at that race and since the car has survived relatively intact I would sure like to honor those three names on the side of this pretty U.R.C. Sprinter.

    Thanks for your help,
    Jim Mead
     
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  5. blueprint2002
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    Not sure if I'm doing this right, as this is the first time for me.
    Received an e-mail in response to my post #25111 of January, and am replying here on the HAMB, according to my understanding of the rules:
    Thank you "unassembled" for your informative response, which should put me on the right track. For a start, I will be trying to get in touch with Bob Connell as you have suggested. Much appreciate your help.
     
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  6. DONALD J WILSON
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    DONALD J WILSON

    Hello everyone, Needing some assistance on the open wheel car Fritz Wilson drove to second place at Pikes Peak in 1965. Color and Number most helpful. A picture would be a treasure. Thanks in advance for any help at all.
     
  7. Michael Ferner
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    Fritz Wilson didn't compete in the open-wheel class in 1965, and finished only fifth in the stock car class, driving a 1964 Ford. Wrong year?
     
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  8. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    from FRENCHTOWN

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  9. DONALD J WILSON
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    OK, Thanks. Really having a hard time finding any info at all on uncle Fritz's run up Pikes Peak. Cousin Scott (Fritz'z son) says he raced a 65 Plymouth Belllevedere he got from Richard Petty. You don't have any otherideas on the Ford do you?
     
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  10. Michael Ferner
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    Sorry, I'm no use on cars with a roof!
     
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  11. drtrcrV-8
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    When the driver is sitting in the seat in a real racecar, he(or she…) is able to see all four wheels(or at least the tires...) Hey, I finally found the right site for this!!!!
     
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  12. blackout78666
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    88525EE7-C71D-4669-AC2E-E19BEA0C6162.jpeg Been a while since I’ve posted. Almost to the end of my 65 Watson sprint car build. Car is done, ready to fire off soon. Down to paint and lettering. Can’t wait to meet dirt here in a month or so.
     

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  13. Jim Nise
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    Looks tremendous Black!
     
  14. tractorguy
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    I have some books on Pikes Peak and some old results. I will try to find them in the basement and see what I can find.
     
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  15. BZNEIL
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    Looks amazing!! Great job!
     
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  16. Speedwrench
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    Aren't you building a roadster ? Any progress to report ?
     
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  17. e1956v
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    I was going through some of my dad's things at the shop and found this picture of "Uncle" Louie Unser and his Sealed Power Special Pikes Peak Hill Climb car.
    This picture was taken outside of Colorado Springs Auto Parts where he worked for years. My dad and his good friend Thom Jamison raced Corvettes in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb. He always said Louie was a crazy son of a gun behind the wheel(crazy in a good way). 20190811_123623.jpeg 20190811_123725.jpeg 20161027_065817.jpeg

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  18. loudbang
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    Does the vette have a bunch of negative camber or is the photo distorted?
     
  19. e1956v
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    The photo was curled up from being in a drawer for years, I didn't pin it down when I took the pic with my cell phone.
     
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  20. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    The photo is distorted also from the lens selection. This would be most noticeable at the corners of the pic - where the wheel is.
     
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  21. Has anyone found any history on this car? I will confirm with my Dad but I am certain this is my grandfathers race car. And was built in Guthrie center Iowa. My dad will have a lot more history of the car and drivers
     
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  22. $um Fun
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    The open wheel car is the Ex Glen Shultz Stutz (first win among many for this car was 1927 and was supercharged then) and has a semi independent rear axle. Originally it had transverse double leaf springs and later was modified to parallel double leaf springs and a Stutz DV32 engine for Unser. The car eventually ended up in the Bill Harrah collection and I own it now and plans are to restore it back. This is Glen Shultz in the same car in 1930.

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  23. blueprint2002
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    Curious about that semi-independent rear axle. Any pictures you can share, to show how it is arranged? Thanks.
     
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  24. early8
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    This is a pix of my Grandfather the driver Gordon Stone (Stoney) somewhere in mass I believe in the late 20s early 30s he owned
    Coombs Motor Co. in Watertown Ma. A Ford dealer ship with his partner Frank Carter.
    Notice the model T radiator & the front differential !
    I have been told that it was one of the first experimental front wheel drive race cars. IMG_0001.JPG


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  25. blueprint2002
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    And this pic shows so well the low profile that was made possible by front wheel drive. And surely at a fraction of the cost of a Miller FWD.
    Interesting use of disc wheels at the front and wire wheels at the back.
    Would love to see more pics of this car.
     
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