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Hot Rods Spalding Bros Repro, for "Too Tall" Ganahl.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Marty Strode, Jul 13, 2015.

  1. chop job
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    1. WISCONSON HAMBERS

    Nice job !
     
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  2. Marty Strode
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    Hi Vic, I stretched it a total of 19", 12" between the engine and driver, and another 7" just in front of the drivers feet. It's now 189" WB, 1" short of the maximum. Jim has the chassis back, and is reinstalling the front axle, rear suspension and engine. I will have it back in a few weeks, to make the rest of the transition. We are going to cut the cowl off at the windshield area, and I will be making all new body panels that taper all the way to the nose. This should reduce drag and allow us to mount wiring and plumbing outside of the driver's compartment, and better access to everything. The longer WB should aid in handling, and give us more and better places to add needed weight. I hope to see you again at SPEEDWEEK my friend ! IMG_1043.JPG IMG_1044.JPG IMG_1046.JPG IMG_1048.JPG
     
  3. woodbutcher
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    :D Hi Marty.Looking very good.Thanks for posting.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
    Leo
     
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  4. Marty Strode
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    I formed up a trans cover today. The owner will handle the final fit and install. IMG_1128.JPG IMG_1130.JPG IMG_1131.JPG IMG_1134.JPG IMG_1138.JPG IMG_1143.JPG
     
  5. Marty Strode
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    Pat has Dennis Webb working on the nose and Grille, and needed dimensions and profiles of the shape of an Ingels Grille. Yesterday, I traveled to Scott Perrott's place to make some patterns off of the Barney Navarro Roadster. My old buddy Ernie Martin (blue hat) helped Scott and I make a "drape" of the grille, to the outside perimeter. Now I am making some aluminum guages of the the contour and shapes to ship to Pat today. IMG_1174.JPG IMG_1176.JPG IMG_1167.JPG IMG_1173.JPG IMG_1170.JPG
     
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  6. Gofannon
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    Are you going to cast one or fabricate it?
     
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  7. Atwater Mike
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    Good question! Marty???
     
  8. Marty Strode
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    The plan is to fabricate one, to make a casting off of.
     
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  9. Marty Strode
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    Here are the guages I made using stretcher/shrinkers, they should work fine for Dennis. IMG_1186.JPG IMG_1187.JPG
     
  10. Marty Strode
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    I know most of you that watch this thread are mainly interested in the Spalding project. But since Pat has been hounding me that I should work on my projects too, I spent a little time on the front bumper on my '40 pickup. Since my business has been mostly building race or "race inspired" cars, I wanted my shop truck to reflect that image. Since the bumper slides into sleeves, I am also going to build a push board, to use at the races ! My Harbor Freight tube roller, with Swag Off Road dies, and motor drive pipe threader, makes nice hoops ! The material is 1-1/4 .120 wall tube. There is still a little final fitting before I weld it up and send it off to the chrome shop. IMG_1159.JPG IMG_1188.JPG IMG_1192.JPG IMG_1195.JPG IMG_1198.JPG IMG_1200.JPG
     
  11. Weedburner 40
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    Nice Marty
     
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  12. town sedan
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    Pat is right about working on your own stuff. All work & no play...., well you know. Besides I've been enjoying the "intermissions".
    -Dave
     
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  13. loudbang
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    Post away I know most of us enjoy ANYTHING you work on. :p
     
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  14. BZNEIL
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    Love it!
     
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  15. Lytles Garage
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    Marty; Bought one of those Harbor Freight hoop benders to make wheel wells on Sam's 34, worked perfect !! Chris
     
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  16. Marty Strode
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    Chris, If you need different dies, Troy at Swag Off Road, makes billet ones and a 4130 axle. The motor drive and his stiffening kit really makes a machine out the HF unit. Somehow, I knew you would find a use for that killer small block, and Sam's 34 is the perfect place for it . You gotta be proud of that boy ! See you soon. IMG_1201.JPG
     
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  17. What are you going to do for timing marks?
    I am running a Cyclone as well, I am thinking about building something on the cam cover

    For anyone unfamiliar the Blueflame timing marks are on the flywheel. The Cyclone don't have a provision for setting the timing
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  18. Flywheel timing mark-
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  19. Gofannon
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    Good point, Robert. I have a Cyclone as well and haven't even considered that. I'll probably look at putting a mark and pointer on the crank pulley. I don't think I could bring myself to modifying my adaptor, it's in perfect condition.
     
  20. pgan
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    Robert, I always thought that timing mark on the flywheel was a pain, especially trying to shine a timing light on it.
    I'm sure you know how to find TDC on no. 1 cylinder using a piston stop (make one out of an old spark plug). Attach some sort of pointer to your timing cover, and paint a TDC mark on your front pulley where the pointer points at TDC (on compression). Figuring degrees of advance will take a bit more calculating (using a flexible tape measure).
    If you look closely at the photo below, you'll see a tab on the Wayne timing cover, with two small holes in it, above the crank.
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    This engine actually came with a Wayne degreed front pulley, but I used it on the GMC in the Iacono car, so I'm hoping I can find another one. For the Ike engine I made a pointer out of a small piece of sheetmetal with two slotted holes in it, for some adjustment. Sorry I don't have a photo available But hope this helps.
    PG
     
  21. Mr48chev
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    That is pure six cylinder engine porn. I just have to say how much I enjoy this thread and that I seem to learn something new every time I check in on it.
     
  22. Jiminy
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    Since this seems to be a prevalent problem, it seems odd that someone hasn't built a nice cast pointer. Someone like CNC-Dude ;-)
     
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  23. Wow, a Wayne timing cover.
    I believe they are made of strange metal called unobtaineum.
     
  24. pgan
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    Robert,
    First, I showed the Wayne cover mainly to show where and how they made the tab for the timing pointer, in order that you could do something similar to make and weld to a stock stamped steel timing cover. Second, as you say, "Why buy it if you can build it." I was missing the Wayne front covers for both my 12-ports, and found replacements nearly unobtainium. But Keith Young, who once owned the Ike engine, had its original timing cover. He did give me Ike's cam, water neck, and a few other pieces, but didn't want to part with the Wayne cover (he has a few 12-ports himself). So he let me borrow it, and I took it to Lee Rock Foundry in Ontario (CA) and had them sand-cast 5 duplicates directly off the original. The reproduction quality is amazing. There's a slight amount of shrinkage, but it's minimal. So is the cost, relatively speaking. I did needed machining myself. Sold three to more than recover costs, and kept the two I needed, which I had polished.
    I've had other small parts made this way, such as Cyclone 1bbl-to-2bbl carb adapters. You can also modify existing parts with Bondo before sand casting. Or you can make your own "pattern" out of metal, wood, Bondo, etc. Look into it. Take you own advice.
    Cheers, PG
     
  25. I hope you didn't think I was criticizing. I am very impressed! The only other one I have seen was on the Hot Rod cover of Ike 33 Ford coupe. I am shocked there are any left, very nice find.
     
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  26. pgan
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    No, no Robert. I completely agree with your philosophy.
    Pat
     
  27. Marty Strode
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    Well, a little progress to report. After making the profile pattern for the grille bars, I sent it to Pat for him to see about getting the bars laser cut out of 3/16" 6061 alloy aluminum. He ran into some difficulty finding a company to do the job, for a reasonable price. I called my contact at Laser Cutting Services, here in Oregon, and arranged to have Pat mail the pattern to him. Here we are a week later with 20 perfect bars, for $145.00. I will send them to Pat tomorrow ! I can't wait to get my hands on the grille and shell, so I can get it mounted, and build the hood. IMG_1294.JPG IMG_1295.JPG IMG_1296.JPG
     
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  28. pgan
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    News flash from SoCal: I got the laser-cut grille bars from Marty over the weekend, so I took them down to Dennis Webb's ancient shop in Anaheim yesterday. He was very impressed with how cleanly and precisely they were made, and is shown here trying a couple for fit in the outer ring he has already made. wmd116.JPG
    But before I drove down, Dennis gleefully said, "And wait 'til you see what I've got in the shop. You remember the name Andy Linden?" I said sure, an Indy driver from the early '50s. "Well I've got his car here that placed 4th in the '51 Indy 500. Complete." Well, I figured this would be worth the trip in itself. When I got there Dennis had its nose on the bench, bumping and filing it back into proper shape. So I asked him to hold it on the front of the car so I could take a picture: wmd118.JPG

    When he said complete he wasn't kidding. It even had the 270 Offy in it, but Dennis told the owner to keep that safely at home. Dennis' job is to massage all the small dings, dents, and cracks in the aluminum body, but it's never been wrecked or in the wall, despite a long career on asphalt and dirt. With a round tube frame and a '37 Ford axle, it's listed as a Sherman-Offy. When I asked who owned it I got the biggest surprise. Dennis said, "Tony Perera." What? He's the guy who has the Wes Cooper T, which also needs an Ingels nose. I knew he had a few other interesting early race cars and rods, but had no idea he had this one.
    Fortunately, Dennis promised he'd get our grille and nose done before he finishes this beauty. Progress. Stay tuned.
    Pat
     
  29. Marty Strode
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    Pat, If I had known Dennis had that Indy Car there, I would probably have flown down and hand delivered those bars. WOW, what a car !
     
  30. Koz
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    Just checked in on this thread again and as always, I'm blown away. What great craftsmanship and attention to detail! I just love old Indy cars and that one is stunning. This stuff inspires me to refine my craft and think outside the box. Keep posting!
     
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