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  1. Italianjbond
    Joined: Mar 2, 2020
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    Italianjbond

    Hello,
    I have a motor I just recently got and got running again. A 69 351w. 10.5 compression. I finally got it running but I have a knock in it. At idle there is no knock. If I hold it at a higher rpm I hear nothing for a couple seconds then I start hearing what sounds like a rod knock.

    My understanding is you always hear a rod knock it doesn’t go away. But this one come on like I said. And disappears at idle.


    Any clue?
     
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  2. Budget36
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    And the oil pressure pressure is?
     
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  3. sliceddeuce
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    We need pics.
     
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  4. Deuces
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    Start replacing bearings and a new oil pump...
     
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  5. VANDENPLAS
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    93AF1EEA-2E3E-43A4-AEC2-5D27A86EFBEB.jpeg Check your oil pressure
    Fuel pump possibly
    Balancer separating ?
    Auto or manual trans?
    Torque converter bolts loose?
    Oil filter collapsing ?

    rod knock is a pronounced loud hollow knock that’s rhythmic and follows rpm
    Knock..knock..knock..knock
    Like a hammer hitting a steel beam.

    what did you do?
    How long was it sitting?
    How long have you run it?

    more to the story please.

    but one of those cheap mechanics stethoscopes and poke around see if you can find the source of the sound?
     
  6. manyolcars
    Joined: Mar 30, 2001
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    dont run it until you plastigage it. The crank may be ok but if you keep running it, it wont be
     
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  7. Jalopy Joker
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    where did you get motor from? whoever you got it from still around to get info on it?
     
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  8. Italianjbond
    Joined: Mar 2, 2020
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    Italianjbond

    Psi is 40 at idle. Seems to have a high flow pump. Sounds like it’s in the front of the motor as well.


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  9. TA DAD
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    idle it up where it knocks and remove plug wires one at the time and you can usually determine which cylinder is knocking. Turning the timing back can quiet it also. No one has ever bought a car with a miss in it and find a plug tapped shut ? open the gap and now it knocks
     
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  10. hotrodjack33
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    Is it 1/2 way between a rumble and knock ? Back in the late 60s/early 70s Ford produced a lot of "soft cranks" that were famous for their bottom-end rumble. I had one of these "rumblers" (302ci) in my '40 Ford pickup...ran great, 60lb oil...just learned to live with it, put 35k miles on it in the truck.
    Also, remember these engines are externally balanced, A mis-match balancer and flywheel/flex plate will make it much MORE noticeable.
    37eng.jpg
     
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  11. Italianjbond
    Joined: Mar 2, 2020
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    I bought a new flywheel for it and the front balancer is the correct one.


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  12. Mimilan
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    The balancer
     
  13. That’s not gonna help
     
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  14. sliceddeuce
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    It will too.
     
  15. Italianjbond
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    Italianjbond

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    This wouldn’t help.
     
  16. does it make the noise with the belts removed?
     
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  18. foolthrottle
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    Thrust bearing? loose torque converter bolt? cracked flexplate
     
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  19. Toqwik
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    My first thought would be to check the oil pan isn’t dented from hauling, storage, whatever. I wouldn’t rip it apart and throw rings and bearings at it, they might be perfectly fine. You need to try to pinpoint what area of the motor it is and go from there.


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  20. Marty Strode
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    I would pull the pan and look at the bearings, one by one. For the cost of a pan gasket, you could thoroughly clean the pan, and eliminate that suspicion.
     
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  21. Bandit Billy
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    One of my Bandit TAs had a similar issue a few years back. Ran great, sounded great...until I bolted up the exhaust. Once it was quieted down I could make the mains talk with a little rev. I knew I had a rebuild on my hands and the sooner the better.

    We don't always want to hear what they are telling us, but they are talking all the same.
     
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  22. 427 sleeper
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    Guess that rules out the waterpump...
     
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  23. partsdawg
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    Change oil and inspect the drain pan.
     
  24. junkers72
    Joined: Sep 21, 2014
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    Get that fuel pump off of there and block off the hole temporarily. It’s the easiest thing to rule out before “digging in deeper”


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  25. Does the knock get louder when you blip the throttle? Or can you put it under load in gear and give some throttle?
    My experience is a rod knock will get louder under some load, either revving up or against the trans. It will quiet momentarily when you let off from higher rpms. Unless the bearing is really bad.
    You can also carefully open the oil filter and look for metallic shiny bearing material.

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  26. Doublepumper
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    Hard to tell from my chair......might check for timing chain slop is the only thing I can add.
     
  27. ekimneirbo
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    Obviously you want to try the simple things first.
    So far I think the suggestion by Vandenplas is the best starting point. Get a stethoscope and when the noise starts, go over the engine and maybe the bellhousing and you should be able to at least get close to the origin of the noise.
    Since you have good oil pressure, I would consider opening the engine is probably not necessary.
    You might have some piston slap or rocker arm problems. If you have a rod problem it should be easy to find with the stethoscope.;)
     
  28. See ! What did I tell you ?
     
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  29. slowmotion
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    I'd investigate the fuel pump, then torque converter bolts, before I started tearing it apart.
    Had an OT once that I woulda swore was history. Loose T/C bolts...
     

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