Well gee he put it out there like he had been having an conversation with Joe. And an otherwise good thread can go real bad when you start trying to pick a fight. I have had a conversation with Joe (rest his soul) pretty straight shooter and a nice fellow all at once. I don't recall him bad mouthing another brand in our conversation. I don't even recall another brand coming up, we were talking olds mobiles. I totally understand brand consciousness, I prefer GM to other marks as a rule. But I just don't see the point in talking crap on a spec sheet. Why take a good piece of writing and clutter it up with BS.