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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by oktr6r, Jul 20, 2007.

  1. oktr6r
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    Complete from hub to hub, brakes, steering gear box, transverse leaf spring, a-arms, and sway bar. I'd estimate 50-75 lbs after picking it up off the floor jack and setting it on the furniture dolly. I'm almost tempted to swap the tube shocks for friction shocks...

    The steering used a link with u-joints between the very short column and the gear box. I think I can use this to center the steering column in the car with no other modification to the steering.

    Not a bad evening, maybe 2 hours of work to remove this.

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  2. whats it from??
     
  3. and what do you plan on putting it in?
     
  4. 64 DODGE 440
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    Looks like '50s jeep station wagon.
     
  5. oktr6r
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    '68 Fiat 850 Spider
     
  6. oktr6r
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    An 800 lb water cooled rear engine single seat car if all goes according to plans. Fiberglass spring car nose, body built to resemble 50's or 60's Indy car.

    Next to go under the wrenches will be the engine, transaxle, and rear suspension. I'm betting all those combined will be less than a complete SBC.

    Low budget is the key here. How realistic a goal is $1.25 per lb for street legal car, ready to drive? That won't include any fancy paint...
     
  7. oktr6r
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    Damn, I already gave it away. Should have seen how many different guesses we could get.

    This one has disc brakes, I doubt the Jeeps had that.
     
  8. davidfe
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    I cannot see the picture!

    Thanks
     
  9. metalshapes
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    Yeah, pic is gone...

    This is out of a Fiat 600 workshop manual.

    Basicly the same Front Suspension, but with Drum Brakes.
     

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  10. That sounds VERY interesting! Got any concept drawings? There is a thread Ryan did a while back about vintage Indy-style cars. Let me know if you want some sketches done up in CAD, I'd be happy toi help ya out.
     
  11. metalshapes
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    Something like these?


    Edit.

    Oops...
    You said REAR Engine.

    I'l see if I have some pics of that...
     

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  12. oktr6r
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    Sorry about that, I had a brain fart and "organized" my pics of the project last night. It's fixed now.
     
  13. oktr6r
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    Yeah, mine has discs, but that looks like it.
     
  14. oktr6r
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    Concept drawings have been in my mind only since I looked at the car the first time. I'd love to have some CAD drawings to help out. I think I still have access to an old version of AutoCad, but I don't have any experience using it.
     
  15. oktr6r
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    Yeah, something along those lines, but rear engine. All 903 cc's of it, packed into a package about 16" long and 12" wide. The factory header is as wide as the engine.
     
  16. Same front end on my old 59' Abarth Zagato...!!!
     
  17. metalshapes
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    If that 903 doesn't have the pop up pistons, it's real easy to reverse the rotation of it.
    That way you could still use the 850 Tranny that came with it.
    The 850 Gearboxes are much stronger than ones in the Fiat 600.
    ( you cant flip the diff in a 850 Gearbox )

    Or you could try and find the parts to convert the 850 'box to a 124 Twin Cam Engine ( 1600/1800/ or 2 litre, instead of 903cc...)
    That would already turn the right way to use is as a mid engine.

    P/M me if you want to know which parts you need to change the 903.
     
  18. metalshapes
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    Yep...:)
     
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  20. oktr6r
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    Looks like it was made to be used in a single seater to me. That's what sold me on the car. Oh, the $100 price didn't hurt either, complete car, and the engine sounded great about 3 days after I towed the car home.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Lo2wHz2AQ

    I have $165 in the project at this point, after buying this nose for it from the classifieds.

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  21. oktr6r
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    Reverse rotation would be great. Starter from a 124 Twin Cam, what else... PM on the way.

    I was hoping I'd see some suggestions here other than stuff a SBC in it. :D
     
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  23. davidfe
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    Les,

    Interesting idea. Here is a cut away for us that don't have one in the garage.

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  24. oktr6r
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    I hope you don't mind if I borrow that picture to add to my photo album? It sure shows the layout very well.
     
  25. davidfe
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    Not at all, I found it yesterday.

    I think this is an extremely interesting use of light weight parts.

    I could see this becoming the front end for a light t-bucket type car.

    DFE
     
  26. davidfe
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    Les,

    The nose piece looks very similar to the Lotus or Lotus clone - Locost. Lots of Internet information on them.

    If you need sites, let me know.

    Great project, will enjoy following it closely.

    David
     
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  28. Scarebird
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    My dad had a 72 850 Spider I drove alot in high school- neat car, but fragile. With Pirellis nothing could follow it in a sharp turn.
     
  29. oktr6r
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    Not sure how many people would want the A-arms showing on a t-bucket. Doesn't matter with the car I'm building, it'll look right at home.

    The rear suspension, engine, and transaxle are out now. Took twice as long as the front suspension, about 3 1/2 hours. It was getting pretty warm by noon. It's pushing 90° already.

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  30. oktr6r
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    I'd love to know more about the front end. He thought it was for a sprint car, doesn't make a bit of difference to me what it's intended use was.

    Glad to see there is some interest in the Fiat Fiasco. I gave it some thought before I started posting too much about it.

    I wonder if the guy that does the cast shift knobs can do emblems. I need one that says Fiat Fiasco for when the car's done.
     

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