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Lake Headder Kit Build - From Gear Drive Speed & Custom

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by mastergun1980, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. mastergun1980
    Joined: Oct 18, 2010
    Posts: 1,094

    mastergun1980
    Member
    from Alva OK

    I really wanted a set of lake headders for my 41 , It's about as custom of a vechicle as you can get. I didn't think any pre-made headder was goingto fit. I called Matt ( Saltflattmatt ) Of Gear Drive Speed & Custom - He took time out of his busy day and talked with me. After telling him what I had going on he put a kit together for me. I chose the swept tubes as opposed to the straight tubes, the cost is a little more but look so much better. Matt aslo will pre-cutt the swept tube where it meets the cone which he charged 50.00 for but I think it's worth more than that- ( I probablly wouldn't have been able to do it without wasting a lot of time and pipe ) Matt also gives Alliance Members free shipping!
    The Kit Arrived within s week. I opened it up and was a little intimidated. It sat there for 2 more weeks untill I overcame my nerves an got at it. I shouldn't have let it worry me- Matt had marked the angle cuts for me with a sharpie, he also numbered the primary tubes for me. After he instructed me It would take the better part of a weekend to acomplish my goal, He assured me if I had a problem I could call him and he would walk me through it! I didn't end up needing help thought it's nice to have backup if needed.
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    Here is all the parts - Notice the black marks in the middle of the J-bend on the lower right corner of the picture. That's the instructions!
    I am grouping this in steps , but each step is really several smaller ones.
    # 1 - SET THE VECHICLE ON JACK STANDS AND GET THE MOTOR LEVEL FRONT TO BACK AND SIDE TO SIDE This seemed like the logical first step - I used my magnetic angle finder and a small level ( both dirrections ) - I wanted this thing solid - I don't think the suspension compressing or the truck rolling would have made anything easier.
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    # 2 - BOLT THE FLANGES TO THE ENGINE
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    #3 - CUT THE U-BEND AND THE J-BENDS IN HALF
    I used my chop saw for all my tubing cutts. I removed the clamping screw, and used a large triangle magnet and a thicky gloved hand to hold th bends square ( or angled while i cut )
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    #4 - CUT ALL 6 J-BENDS TO LEGNTH AND THEN ANGLE CUT THEM - ANGLE CUT THE U-BEND HALFS AND SILDE THEN INTO THE CONES I measured Matts angles marks - But they were just rough ideas. I decided on 22.5 degree cutts. I also decided on 4 1/2" long primary ( Flange Half ) Tubes - Those are the 2 numbers I kept with for the whole project .
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    #5 - TEST FIT THE #1 TUBES, AND CONE, DETERMINE PROPER PLACEMENT OF THE CONE. This took about 4 hours. It was a very slow process - I made sure to do both sides at the same time - I used jack stands , angle magnets, short 4x4 chunks, and some 3/4 washers ( standard and fender ) To hold everything in place. For measurement - I used tape measures, t- squares, and the angle finder. I am not going to get into all the little details but to make it simple - just measure, measure, align, measure, measure, align, measure, measure, measure, ect. at this point I tacked the front j-bend sections to the u-tube sections , but not to the cone or flange. after each tack I rechecked everything, and then rechecked it again . It's also important to note the drivers side exhaust ports are roughlly 1" farther forward than the passenger side so I made the drivers side headder 1" longer so they would exit the same spot on the cowl.
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    #6 - CUT AND FIT #3 TUBES - I placed the rear j-bend sections in the flange with one hand and slide the #3 pre cut section down the and determined the proper legnth , then cut them to legnth . At this point it put them in place and tacked them in onlt 1 spot and rechecked everything, when happy with the allignment - i tack welded the swept tube to the j-bend and that to the flange, I then rechecked everything and welded the #1 tube to the flange. I DID NOT WELD ANYTHING TO THE CONE - I did both sides the same way -
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    #7 - CUT - FIT & WELD THE #2 TUBES. This was easy - it look about an hour . and as before I DID NOT WELD TO THE TUBE
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    #8- MARK CONE - CUT CONE - WELD CONE ON I marked each cone for side and position on the #1 tubes with a black sharpie. I also marked the 4 holes that would need to be cut for the #2 & #3 tubes - I then removed the cone and cut the holes ( remember to cut about 1/16" inside the lines ) Matt recomended a plasma cutter which I don't have so I used a hole saw, a step drill, a cut off wheel , and a die grinder with a carbide cutter- Trim the # tubes down near the marks ( about 1/2" from the mark. ) - I then slid the tubes back on - checked allignment and tacked it on real good. I will remove the headders and take to a buddy who is a good tig welder ( cummins64 on the h.a.m.b. ) - He'll make them look good! I realize they arn't done, but so far I only have 8 hours in em.
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    Pictures Really cna't show how nice these turned out.
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    These things look killer. My camera just can't capture how swoopy these look.
     
  2. Dreddybear
    Joined: Mar 31, 2007
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    Dreddybear
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  3. Beau
    Joined: Jul 2, 2009
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    Beau
    Member

    Very cool! I just PM'd him this evening about some parts. We are blessed to have him close.
     

  4. Derek Mitchell
    Joined: Nov 22, 2004
    Posts: 1,817

    Derek Mitchell
    Member

    Give us a profile shot of the car. Headers look killer.
     
  5. HomemadeHardtop57
    Joined: Nov 15, 2007
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    HomemadeHardtop57
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  6. HELLVIS
    Joined: Dec 10, 2010
    Posts: 324

    HELLVIS
    Member

    sweet!...local boy done good!
     
  7. Cali4niaCruiser
    Joined: Aug 30, 2005
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    Cali4niaCruiser
    Member

    Dig em. Real nice flow
     
  8. mastergun1980
    Joined: Oct 18, 2010
    Posts: 1,094

    mastergun1980
    Member
    from Alva OK

    I will take a good profile pi tire tonight
     
  9. I'm in the middle of building a set as well! Thanks for the writeup! :)
     
  10. 117harv
    Joined: Nov 12, 2009
    Posts: 6,589

    117harv
    Member

    Yes, nice job, thanks for taking the time to take pics and post the thread.
     
  11. saltflatmatt
    Joined: Aug 12, 2001
    Posts: 634

    saltflatmatt
    Alliance Vendor

    Glad it went well, looking forward to seeing them installed!
     
  12. dreracecar
    Joined: Aug 27, 2009
    Posts: 3,476

    dreracecar
    Member
    from so-cal

    Its really hard to tig over welds like that and have them look nice, too much porosity and carbon. Its going to take a lot of grinding, Hope you guys are still friends after this.
     
  13. 64cummins
    Joined: Aug 4, 2009
    Posts: 130

    64cummins
    Member
    from kansas

    Those look very nice mastergun let's see how they turn out
     
  14. mastergun1980
    Joined: Oct 18, 2010
    Posts: 1,094

    mastergun1980
    Member
    from Alva OK

    Here are the profile views -
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    Passenger side
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    Drivers side ( My daughter, Hope is doing a burn out or something )
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    And here are the headders off andready to head to 64cummings shop!
     
  15. 64cummins
    Joined: Aug 4, 2009
    Posts: 130

    64cummins
    Member
    from kansas

    That girl needs a steering wheel or turning brakes lol ha ha
     
  16. tfeverfred
    Joined: Nov 11, 2006
    Posts: 15,791

    tfeverfred
    Member Emeritus

    Those look great! I had a couple bucket owners ask me where I got my headers. I gave Matt's number with pride. Can't go wrong dealing directly with the "man".
     
  17. mastergun1980
    Joined: Oct 18, 2010
    Posts: 1,094

    mastergun1980
    Member
    from Alva OK

    Yep - I am really glad I went with Matt's kit. Now for the price of a set of pre made ones - I have a set that fits perfect, and enough money left over for baffles and turnouts! The best part is I can say I built them! ( from a kit of course )
     
  18. Derek Mitchell
    Joined: Nov 22, 2004
    Posts: 1,817

    Derek Mitchell
    Member

    Right on, you make it look easy.
     
  19. thanks for the write-up, Very timley as I will soon be making a set for my Model A with a Y block. Great idea not welding to the cone untill all the primary holes are marked.
     
  20. CGkidd
    Joined: Mar 2, 2002
    Posts: 2,910

    CGkidd
    Member

    Looks damn good. Matt is a great guy and a pleasure to do business with.
     

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