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Motion Pictures In A Nut Shell...

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ryan, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. storm king
    Joined: Oct 16, 2007
    Posts: 1,991

    storm king

    I still enjoy print magazines. Besides, it's a pain to carry my laptop into the bathroom every time I need to, well, you know...
    Street Rodder has done a great deal for the hobby, and helped create the industry it is today, and that is a good thing. On the one hand it is great to see all of the products and services available, and on the other hand a monthly book with 200 pages of ads each month is tiring. That said, I'm a subscriber, to it and many other auto and aviation publications.
    But the print media is a diminishing industry. Technology is shrinking it, nothing else.
    I didn't get the persons letter, and I didn't get the video. I guess I'm just dense. The HAMB is my favorite place to hang out next to hotair, a decidedly non-car site.
  2. Labold
    Joined: Nov 1, 2007
    Posts: 1,219


    Hell, I'm with you fellas.

    I owe alot to the HAMB. Not just inspiration and entertainment, but anytime I need tech advice I am more than helped out.
    I still enjoy receiving my monthly magazines but would be lost without my HAMB.

    I do agree the grammar and search function police should ease up but it isn't a bid deal. If I don't like a thread/post, I simply skip it and go to one that interests or amuses me.
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2010
  3. Labold
    Joined: Nov 1, 2007
    Posts: 1,219


    BTW Ryan,
    I think you have an excellent writing style. I feel more as though I am being spoken to by a friend/pier than reading an instruction manual. You are spreading knowledge and entertainment with a nice slice of humble pie.
    Joined: Nov 17, 2007
    Posts: 381


    ryan,the montage ruled!:D
  5. CRH
    Joined: Apr 30, 2006
    Posts: 554

    from Utah

    The mean...
  6. rodster
    Joined: Mar 11, 2008
    Posts: 139

    Member Emeritus

    Ryan, two sayings that my dad taught me apply to this exchange:

    "The world is made up of two kinds of people, road builders and those who look for cracks in roads." Ryan you're a road builder!

    "Remember, people only throw rocks at trees that bare fruit"

    Loved the video!
  7. Señor X
    Joined: Dec 12, 2007
    Posts: 42

    Señor X
    from Spain

    Another point of view... think about all the hot rodders and kustom car guys from abroad... japan, australia, europe (like me)... For us, the HAMB is something like the Hot Rod BIBLE... everything is here. EVERYTHING you need. Technical information, history, information about events, coverage, interesting links... everything.
    Long live to the HAMB.

    A hoodlum
  8. aceuh
    Joined: Apr 17, 2008
    Posts: 1,360


    Diggin this quote brother!
  9. exotherm
    Joined: Mar 23, 2005
    Posts: 5

    from Chicago

    Ryan - Make sure and thank Janet if you get the chance. Reading "her" little rant reminded me how much I value this site and how I needed to do my part to make sure it continues to prosper by re-upping my Alliance Membership.

    One Tech Week is worth more to me that a whole stack of modern mags, so the cost of membership seems small compared to the returns I get.

    Janet might want to look objectively at why so many folks here have abandoned print media for this hoodlum driven product. Maybe a little introspection on Janet's part would go a long way towards resolving "her" issues.

    Either way, sleep soundly tonight with the thought that some magazine editor weeps for his future because you have tapped into the core of the Hot Rod universe. Well done!
  10. hmmm i have been getting 20 plus magazines a month and have let some of them drop as they do not give the fun,insight ,retrospective,and tech that the HAMB has done ... dunno i have a laptop now don't know how long before it will replace magazines in the crapper....i know the archive here will take up much less space than the 6 file cabinets the magazines are fillin up....

    the greasy wheel gets the squeaks ?????
  11. Halfdozen
    Joined: Mar 8, 2008
    Posts: 570


    Many well-considered and well-written responses here.

    My $.02:
    -The "fabric of hot rodding" is much more in evidence in the HAMB community than any magazine I've read recently.
    -Magazines document, propagate and promote the "hot rod world". They didn't create it. Websites now do the same, only more efficiently.
    -The video montage is great.
    -Janet may well be a self-absorbed, bitter asshat with a very narrow perspective. Having never met him/her, I can't say for sure...

    Thank you, Ryan, for having the guts and the passion to create and maintain this place. This little episode has prompted me to get off my butt and spend some of the money I used to spend on magazines on an Alliance membership.
  12. hr31hr
    Joined: Nov 30, 2006
    Posts: 221

    from PA

    If I like a magazine I buy it, if I like a website I go to it. As far as one influencing my chioce of the other, I think I am smarter than that.
  13. RDR
    Joined: May 30, 2009
    Posts: 1,352


    OMG we have become the "TEA PARTY" of the hotrod/custom media.......sounds like janets' TAIL wants to WAG the DOG....
  14. The beauty of a market, is that it is truely flexible. dynamic. evolved into what it needs to be.

    Print media has suffered greatly at the hands of digital media in the current market, and as such has lost ground to the interweb. By default, we are all cheap and free, is frankly hard to beat.

    Quality will always be appreciated.

    We are tactile beings, we like to touch things: carburetors, cold metal, and warm boobs. We like to hear: exhaust notes, screaming tires, and whining power parkers. We feel: hot exhaust, stinging rain, and the pleasure of completion.

    The HAMB provides a place for the us: the social introverts, the unknown craftsman, the interweb keyboard bully, the men and women who have been there and done it a voice. Here, for the most part we are uncensored, there is no editor to silence us, no format to put us in. This may be terifying to many, especially those who make a living printing at our hobby.

    I live and breathe a free market, I work on a commodites trading floor and move oil all over the world. For all my bravado and hubris I am awkard, and for the most part anti-social. Above all i crave knowledge, and am perfectly capable of filtering the bull shit from the fact. I am also a huge fan of a really nice pair of legs that go up and make an ass out of themselves.

    Janet is correct, those magazines gave birth to the HAMB, because a market will always adapt to what it needs. In this case it was a voice. Unabridged, unconfined, and free.

    Today i am going to go purchase a car rag, one that i have never bought before. I will enjoy something that the HAMB can not, and will never offer: pages to turn under my fingers.

    -Doug Ogden
  15. Aman
    Joined: Dec 28, 2005
    Posts: 2,522

    from Texas

    I almost bought a car rag the other day but after thumbing thru it and checking out the pictures, yeah I read the articles too, and then flipping back to the cover and looking at the price....I put it back. I guess the only reason I picked it up was because a certain cartoonist hot rod was on the cover. If it weren't for the HAMB I wouldn't have cared about Jeff's rod. Anyway, what else can you say about the HAMB and all it brings to this profession/hobby. Thanks to Ryan.
  16. RichG
    Joined: Dec 8, 2008
    Posts: 3,918


    Well spoken Doug.
  17. monsterflake
    Joined: May 13, 2003
    Posts: 3,763


    that's what made baskerville so great! he wrote in a personal and unconventional style.

    (btw, PHR was the industry leader in mispeling and choppy editing)
  18. 2x4
    Joined: Dec 15, 2009
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  19. Kustom Komet
    Joined: Jun 26, 2007
    Posts: 622

    Kustom Komet

    Janet and her ilk were used to ridin' dirty back in the day with all those raunchy publisher parties with a girl in a cake, flowing booze, and who knows what else, but times have changed for us all and them especially. Parties' over, and it's only human to look for an easy explanation, I.E. scapegoat, to pin it on.

    I still subscribe to a few magazines that I like, but the number dwindles yearly. It's funny how they send me all these frantic renewal notices - when the subscription still has over two years left.

    Janet and his buddies fear for their jobs right now, things are bad in the print world. In my latest issue of Hemmings Classic Car, the editor points out that their circulation is growing (great product + fair price = success) but that numerous other titles have gone out of business in just the last year. These include:

    Chevy Rumble
    Street Rod Builder
    Super Rod
    Truck Builder
    Auto Aficionado
    Car Collector
    Cars & Parts
    Mopar Enthusiast
    Pontiac Enthusiast
    Corvette Enthusiast
    Camaro Enthusiast
    Mustang Enthusiast
    Musclecar Enthusiast

    And several boat titles. There is rumor that the Enthusiast titles may all band together into one magazine, but no guarantee.

    Blaming the Internet for this is like blaming it for improperly raising your kids - silly, and people see right through it. Change is inevitable in every area, and guys like Janet seem determined to get left behind rather than adapt. I'm having a hard time caring about this.

  20. eddie1
    Joined: Jul 27, 2006
    Posts: 556


    Well said. Simple & to the point. I agree 100%
  21. bluesman
    Joined: Feb 16, 2008
    Posts: 301

    from spring tx

    Very good points made on this thread!!!!
    Bottom line....... TECHNOLOGY... its here and happing all around us:confused:
    I myself am a subsriber to many rod&custom mags and still enjoy them but.. sad but true just dont cover what the h.a.m.b has to offer period end of story!!!

    To Janet,,,,,u better get on board...... tha train is leaving..... if u cant beat them join them:D

    Ryan,u tha man......u came up with something here that many of us would only dream about,and look at what its done.I personally just want to say thanks bro for passion and effort for putting this great place together we call the h.a.m.b.
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  22. hemi
    Joined: Jul 11, 2001
    Posts: 1,961


    I just picked up an issue of Mud Life... never heard of it, but it was informative and looks to be like an independent. It has heart.

    Doesn't really have an impact on Janet, unless she wants to try to get a job somewhere else after the HAMB destroys the big magazines. Magazines used to have soul.
  23. Buick59
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
    Posts: 1,994

    from in a house

    You have my vote for president!
  24. Buick59
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
    Posts: 1,994

    from in a house

    You've heard all those old McMullen stories too huh? I've heard Janet tell some of them as well.
  25. metalshapes
    Joined: Nov 18, 2002
    Posts: 10,734

    Tech Editor

    This qoute made me think of the late great Allan Staniforth, who wrote books crammed full of Info for the home built race car builders.

    "The critical thing is achieving required objectives in the suspension within reasonable limits rather than the wrong ones with total accuracy"

    Following that logic...
    I'd rather read usable info with some spelling mistakes, than the ramblings in flawless English from somebody who has nothing usefull to say.
  26. gerrald meacham
    Joined: Oct 23, 2006
    Posts: 133

    gerrald meacham

    thanks ryan , hope janet is going to survive , im sure you are . thanks again love the ham and all conected
  27. The37Kid
    Joined: Apr 30, 2004
    Posts: 26,001


    I'd like to second that. :)
  28. djmartins
    Joined: Feb 11, 2005
    Posts: 411


    She is free to NOT read the HAMB.
    Sounds like her main reason for being upset is that the HAMB is very popular and has a good size influence in the old car hobby and she doesn't like the style of cars people here like.
    Boo hoo!
    Ignore criticism like this, I'd worry more about any criticism of your web layout skills (doubt you have any criticism there...) or something else like that.
    People love cars because there is a car for everyone out there, but at the same time there are even more cars that one doesn't like......
  29. Da Flash
    Joined: Mar 27, 2008
    Posts: 125

    Da Flash

    TO Doug Ogdon,
    You have a way with words that makes your response to this situation seem like poetry, and your perception is right on. As "car shooter" and long time contributer to many of the "rags" still on the racks, the new technology has hurt my income, but though some of the comments seen daily here tick me off a bit, this place we have gravitated to seems like a home, and deals with old hot rods like I grew up with. We have to move on and learn the new technologies as they come and use them to our advantage. I have read Rod & Custom for many moons, and still like to sit in my old garage and soak up the images and the pros that I have for so long admired. Hopefully we can enjoy this once a month happiness for a few more moons to come.
    Da Flash
  30. 31fordV860
    Joined: Jan 22, 2007
    Posts: 864


    When I'm at shows and people ask what my hamb plate means I'm directing them to this video....says it all...thanks Ryan..

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