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Hot Rods Hemi Identification and parts info please quickly!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by porkchop4464, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. porkchop4464
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    Hey guys,

    Looking at this 31 model A highball. Guy says it is a 1956 DeSoto Fireflite 330. it has an ABF 4 barrel. Smokes like hell. He said all cylinders had 100 psi except, cyl 7 has 50psi.

    How much to rebuild this engine? How hard to get a 4 speed behind it? Bell housings? conversions to sag or Muncie or Trec. Are there many aftermarket parts for this engine? All comments approciated

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  3. continentaljohn
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    Aftermarket adapters for transmissions are available and for the 4 speed trans. The intakes are also available as Matt at Gear Drive sell a 6x2 log. I have a set of chrome valve covers if you get it and are looking for a set.
     
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  4. porkchop4464
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    Thanks, are parts commonplace? I am a Chevy man all my life but when I saw this thing and the Hemi, it turned my head as the next project since I sold my Dodge over the summer.
     

  5. porkchop4464
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    Are they the same as some other engines(Hemi) meaning are the blocks the same and parts fit multiple engines (Like small blocks)? Need a crash course for morons in Hemis. Is it a good, bad, indifferent block/engine? All and any help! The Hamb member always comes through!
     
  6. KenC
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    Standard shift parts from a lot of early Mopars will fit. A series V8s, and hemis. Even some late 50s 6cyl cars and trucks came with a housing that would bolt to 6s and 8s. Flywheels too. With the right housing, an A833 will bolt on with a little home drilling and tapping. Down side is those are all cast iron and h e a v y.
     
  7. It's my understanding that the Desoto is on its own. Not interchangeable with the mopar hemi of the same era
     
  8. daliant
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    It already has a 4bbl intake so a plus there. A rebuild on a desoto would be about the same as any other oddball engine of that era... meaning expensive. There's very little aftermarket support for performance parts for desoto, so no cams, off the shelf high compression pistons, adjustable rocker arms, or that kind of stuff.
    As far as the transmission swap the desoto shares the same bell housing bolt pattern as the chyrsler and dodge hemi's so there are a few roads to go down with that.
     
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  9. All of the early Hemi’s are their own design .
    Chrysler, Dodge , Desoto all made their own engines,,,almost nothing interchanges.
    Plymouth didn’t have a Hemi,,,they had a Poly engine,,,sort of a canted valve head .

    The Desotos are good engines though,,,,,,very good engine .
    A lot of information online,,,,,,also parts are available,,,,,not everything,,,,but a lot of parts you might need .
    Hot heads has quite a selection of Desoto parts

    Tommy
     
  10. studebakerjoe
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    When looking for parts keep in mind the 330 is considered a tall deck Desoto.
     
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  11. bchctybob
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    They are great engines but like they said not much interchanges with the Chrysler and Dodge hemis. Count on at least $3500-4000 + to freshen it up if you have to take it apart. You may luck out and there's just a set of zero tension rings in that one cylinder. But you never know what you'll find until you open it up and start inspecting. Adapters are available to put all kinds of transmissions behind it but they aren't cheap either, bellhousing/adapter, flywheel, clutch, linkage, etc is easily $1k plus the trans.
     
  12. porkchop4464
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    Thanks. I am too scared of it. Sadly he wanted 11 grand, but I ain't into building right now. If anyone is interested, email me. It is a lot of car for the cash. Duece rails, Hemi. 5 window body, bell dropped axle. 9-inch ford. Typical hot rod just needs a lot of work but in today's market a steal for those with patience and some money and time.
     
  13. porkchop4464
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    To all who responded! Thanks! The boys on the Hamb always come through! After much thought, hard thought, I am just not ready for another just yet. Sadly, he wanted 11 grand, but I ain't into building right now. If anyone is interested, email me. As you can see, it is a lot of car for the cash. Real 32 rails, Hemi. 5 window, Model A, chopped, True Bell dropped axle. 9-inch Ford, true posi. 373 gears. A true and typical hot rod that needs a lot of love and work... but in today's market, she is a steal for someone with patience and some money and time.
     
  14. 34Larry
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    That's a '55 331 Chrysler in my Avatar car, so I can assure you the best source of info, (besides the HAMB) is "Bob Walker" at Hot Heads Research and Racing . Meaning of course that is where I went when I first got this engine Google his website or call at (336) 352-4866.
    He has just about anything your heart desires.

    HOT HEADS Product Index - DESOTO: A - through W

    A
    Adapters:
    Carb
    Fuel Pump Adapter, SB Mopar to DeSoto

    Oiling System Adapters:
    Hot Heads Oil Filter Adapter, 30°
    Oil Filter Adapter, Forward Position
    Oil Filter Adapter, Vertical Position
    Oil Remote Adapter

    Transmission:
    Torqueflite Trans Adapter
    Hemi to Mopar Manual
    Hemi to Ford Manual
    Chevy Automatic Trans Adapter
    Hemi to Chevy Manual
    Hemi to '48 Ford & Earlier
    V-Drive Boat
    Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac (by request)
    Air Cleaner, Fin Man Oval Finned Aluminum
    Air Cleaner Kit for Holley D-Throat Carburetors
    Air Conditioning Bracket, Lower Mount
    Alternator Bracket, Lower Mount
    Apparel:
    HOT HEADS T-Shirts
    HOT HEADS Caps
    Ballast Resistor, Heavy Duty
    Bearing and Bushings:
    Cam Bearings
    Bearings - Mains
    Bearings - Rods
    Intermediate Shaft Bushing
    Wrist Pin Bushings
    Block Galley, Water Jacket and Cam Core Plug Kit
    Blower Scoop Cover
    Blower Manifold Burst Panel Kit
    Blower Stud Kit
    Blower / V-Belt Pulley Spacer
    Bolt Kits
    Head
    Main
    Oil Pan
    Brackets:
    Air Conditioning - Lower Mount
    Alternator - Lower Mount
    Ignition Coil, Chrome
    Breathers:
    Chrome Shielded Breather for Stock Valley
    Donovan Short VC Breather
    Donovan Tall VC Breather
    Fin Man 43º Valve Cover Breather - Polished
    Fin Man 32º Valve Cover Breather - Polished
    Offy Jr. Valley Cover Breather, Polished
    Breather Kit, PCV/Valve Cover, Polished
    Burst Panel Kit
    Bushing, Intermediate Shaft
    Cam Bearings
    Roller Camshafts for Stock Length Valves
    Cam Hex Drive
    Cam Thrust Plate, Bronze
    Cam Thrust Spacer Washer
    Cam Washer & Screw
    Carb Adapters:
    6 Pack Carb Adapter Plates
    1 x 4 BBL Tunnel Ram Carburetor Adapter
    High-Rise 2 x 4 BBL Carburetor Adapter
    2 x 4 BBL Tunnel Ram Carburetor Adapter
    Offset Carb Adapter Kit
    Mopar 2BBL to Holley 2BBL
    Quad to Holley
    Carburetor, Holley D-Throat Air Cleaner Kit
    Carburetor Assemblies, Six Pack
    Carb Linkage:
    Side Mount 2 x 4 Carb Linkage, Blower
    In-Line 2 x 4 Carb Linkage, Blower
    Progressive 3x2
    Unblown Progressive Inline 2/4 BBL
    Unblown Straight Inline 2/4 BBL
    Coils, Chrome Ignition
    Coil Bracket, Chrome
    Condenser, High Dielectric
    Crank Bolt & Washer
    Dip Stick Assembly
    Distributors:
    MSD Drop In Pro Billet Distributor
    Mallory Unilite Elec.
    Distributor Intermediate Drive Gears:
    Bronze w/Roll Pin
    Iron w/Roll Pin
    Distributor Cap, Super Duty
    Distributor Hold Down Clamp, Aluminum
    Distributor Points
    Distributor Rotors:
    Electronic
    Points
    Distributor Surge Protector
    Electronic Fuel Injection
    Engine Block and Related
    Engine Key Set
    Engine Rebuild Kits
    Aluminum Stock Replacement
    Aluminum, Mopar & Chevy Style Transmissions
    Steel, Mopar & Chevy Style Transmissions
    Freeze Plugs, Brass
    Front Drive Assembly Kits & Upgrades
    Fuel Pump Adapter (SB Mopar to DeSoto)
    Fuel Pump Eccentric
    Gaskets - Sets and Individual
    Gear Drive Kit, Milodon
    Generator Mount for 1x4 Intake Manifold
    More HOT HEADS DeSoto Product Pages:
    H - M
    N - R
    S - Z
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    276 Walker's Hollow Trail
    Lowgap, NC 27024
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  15. Dee Simmons
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    Agree with above. Bob at HotHeads is a great source for parts and good advise.
    My little DeSoto 276 was expensive but worth it all. fun and lots of torque.
    SBC folks drool
     

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