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Technical Hardener into FLAT rustoleum?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by AGELE55, May 29, 2020.

  1. AGELE55
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    I like the idea of mixing flat and gloss...BUT..I also found a qt of Rustoleum in a satin finish. I’ll try that with hardener also. Somewhere in here is the answer.
    I just need a break in the action long enough to play with these and see how they look.
     
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  2. Kind of OT in that I used semi-gloss black rustoleum to paint a wrought iron patio set. I just thinned it down 50/50 with generic lacquer thinner, sprayed with my HF purple cheap gun. No hardener and it was nice and dry after 24 hours in the sun drying time. I had thought about adding hardener, but forgot to get any; and the time to paint was at hand to allow the drying in the sun. Seems to be working fine, no adhesion issues and I did some prep on the old wrought iron to ensure it was clean and wire brushed with my 4 inch angle grinder for any rusted areas. Little hand sanding cleanup, and then shoot the paint.
    If I ever painted a vehicle with Rustoleum, I certainly would do better prep, and would use the hardener. If only to help with curing out. I am not sure if the reducing solvent makes much difference, acetone vs lacquer thinner vs mineral spirits vs other.
     
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  3. indyjps
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    10-4, start shooting some test pieces. If it all goes to shit, it was $15 of material.
     
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  4. indyjps
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    Only difference I've seen is the flash / cure time with different solvents. Works fine without hardener, but I have it so I add some.
     
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  5. gene-koning
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    With the gov enforcement of the recent (2019) reformulation of the oil based paint products, be pretty careful about how much you are reducing the paint. Too much reduction will greatly reduce how long the paint finish lasts in the sun. The paint on my 39 is already fading pretty quickly, I believe the guy that painted it (not me) reduced it too much. Gene
     
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  6. AGELE55
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    I finally got a chance to shoot a practice panel using flat Rustoleum thinned with mineral spirits and catalyst hardener. I shot the wheel well side of my inner fender. It was pretty corroded, so I placed it in a citric acid bath for 4 days which removed all corrosion. It still has surface pitting, but I can live with that in the wheel well. I painted it first with Rustoleum primer for rusty metal (heavy coat) using a brush and let it dry for a few 9846C4F9-4607-46EF-8E62-1A7DDDFDD2AA.jpeg 29D67C9F-B6F7-44A4-B049-1344328896AB.jpeg weeks.
    As suspected, the hardener added a sheen to the flat paint, which I would rank as a satin finish. I like the finish. I think I will likely go with it on the engine bay side with of course better prep. The wheel well side will now get under coated.
    I think I’ll do the other panel using the same mix, but starting with Rustoleum Satin Finish paint. My guess is it will move it up to a semi gloss look. More to follow folks....
     
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  7. AGELE55
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    And now the satin with hardener went up to being (my humble opinion) between semi gloss & gloss. Hard to capture it in the pics. Also got a little negative reaction on my filler panel , which had a different primer and honestly not properly cured first...
    All in all, I like the concept for frame, inner fenders, etc. If you want to shoot as a top coat, I could see that happening as well, but would use precise measurements for repeatability. HAMB member Valentines Speed Shop , mentioned using Behr Oil based Paint From Home Depot available in hundreds of colors. So flat Behr in the color of your choice with a little hardener equals a satin rat. 455FA686-94A2-4C54-9904-6C804145991D.jpeg
     
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  8. evintho
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    Mommy.....that man said the 'R' word!!!
     
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  9. Work In Progress
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    Here is the inside of some panel doors I shot with Rustoleum gloss thinned with acetone and some Valspar hardner. Pardon the dust, a breeze kick up right after the last coat. Nice glossy, hard finish.
     

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  10. 343w
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    Tractor Supply has the Paint in gallons and the harder, checked yesterday here in Alabama.
     
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  11. I have tried the Tractor supply Majic paint but it did not seem to work as well as the rustoleum. They used to sell Valspar tractor restoration shop paint, that stuff was really nice.to work with.
     
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  12. . HAMB member Valentines Speed Shop , mentioned using Behr Oil based Paint From Home Depot available in hundreds of colors. So flat Behr in the color of your choice with a little hardener equals a satin rat. View attachment 4716727 [/QUOTE]

    Here is my beater parts getter truck that I painted with Behr semi gloss and hardener. Just to give you an idea of the sheen. (Maybe it won't get taken down with the 32 roadster in the bed :rolleyes:) 20200608_172956_HDR.jpg
     
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  13. AGELE55
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    Here is my beater parts getter truck that I painted with Behr semi gloss and hardener. Just to give you an idea of the sheen. (Maybe it won't get taken down with the 32 roadster in the bed :rolleyes:) View attachment 4717540 [/QUOTE]
    Palm trees in Maryland?
     
  14. Palm trees in Maryland?

    Good catch Agele55! LoL I picked the body up in Florida from a fellow Hamber and had to snap a picture with the palms.

    Although there is a tropical style bar near me in Ocean City, Maryland that brings in palms every summer ;)
     
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  15. Atwater Mike
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    Two years ago I was spraying some Tractor Supply Valspar black (glossy) thinned with acetone...Went back to Trac. Sup. to get another 2 qts., shelves were empty.
    Counter girl said the Calif. Air resources board suits walked in and condemned ALL the oil paint!
    It has since been replaced with water based crap.
    I hafta get some out of state, they can send it to my son in Oregon...
    BAH!!! California. I used to surf here...
     
  16. Work In Progress
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    I get the oil based Rustoleum at my local Lowes and I live is the crankiest part of California. We even have our own local governing board that makes CARB look like the Girl Scouts.
     
  17. AGELE55
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    I lived in CA for a while back in the day when it was cool. What the hell happened?
     
  18. 343w
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    They have Rustoleum at the two stores that shop..
     
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  19. Our tractor supply quit selling the Valspar stuff, probably due to the same reasons as Atwater Mike stated... Maryland isn't far behind Cali it seems.
    Rustoleum is still widely available although they have switched some products to latex such as thier bed liner ( no were near as good as it used to be!)
    Just make sure the can doesn't say " clean up with water" or thins with water.

    I stopped into Rural King while I was in FL and noticed they had a tractor restoration paint but after reading the can it is latex as well :(
     
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  20. hotrodjack33
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    Tractor Supply quit carrying the Valspar Tractor paint here in NY too.
    Checked Valspar's website and it looks like it might still be available from them.
    Painted my last 2 rod with it: Semi flat black/ acetone/hardner. paint1.jpg paint2.jpg
     
  21. AGELE55
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    Nice cars and digging the finish.
     
  22. Mike Colemire
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    They both look really good.
     
  23. Mike Colemire
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    Our Rural King has Majic tractor paint in oil base enamel. I seen Matte black and Gloss black, guess you could mix both and get a satin.
     
  24. hotrodjack33
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    Thanks @AGELE55 . Built the Chev Panel for the wife's "grocery getter". A guy from Long Island offered me "stupid money" for it...wife was really pissed.

    Recently traded the Sedan Deliv to a fellow HAMBer for his '36 Cabriolet (my avatar)

    Just Painted the '36 last week...same semi gloss black. Used the"old stand by", John Deer Blitz Black...which is made by Valspar...and seems to be exactly the same paint as Tractor Supply's old Valspar Tractor enamel.
     
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  25. no55mad
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    Can Rustoleum be painted over? Was told it had fish oil in the product and other paints would not stick to it.
     
  26. Work In Progress
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    I've shot urethane clear coat over it a few times with no issues.
     
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  27. I just painted my car trailer, using the Tractor Supply Majic oil base matte black enamel with the Majic hardener added. Came out with a nice satin sheen. Not glossy, and not flat.
    Sprayed it thinned with 1 part lacquer thinner to 2 parts enamel. Using cheap HF purple spray gun, outside high 70s day with lower humidity. Nice conditions except was sunny, be nice for cloud cover. But came out fine and trailer good for many more years.

    Sent from dumb operator on a smart phone
     
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  28. The Human Wrench
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    This worked for me on my ’56 Fairlane frame. Dennis Carpenter sells the hardner to use with the tractor paint. It worked ok with the Rustoleum. Thinned it with acetone. Tisco is the brand of the hardener. IMG_1789.JPG


    Sent from my iPhone using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
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