First Custom Rodder, now Rod & Custom?

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Rob, you weren't listening when you were editor, and you still ain't listening. your readers are saying what they want to see in the magazines. you can listen, and make the magazine they want to buy, or keep wondering why people like us are letting our custom rodder subs expire. i don't "get" why are still making excuses for management.

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Was wondering when you'd chime in. Ignorance is bliss, huh?
It's funny when one views his opinion as that of everyone else's...what do they call that?

 

Custom Rodder never was a custom magazine? Gimme a break!
And I am not talking about the small early CR (without connections except the name) but the later ones.
I must have read my magazines in a much different way the publishing company tried to market it. I know even that JW always pointed out that CR was not a custom magazine, but he made it to be one! For comprehension, take a look in CR July 99 and compare that one with the later magazines.
BTW. It’s also strange that so many says that CR is better now than ever, when they are on a board that focus on TRADITIONAL customs.

 

I'm tired of trying to make this point. All I've ever said was, Custom Rodder was "never intended to be a traditional custom magazine!" It ran traditional customs from the get-go...hell, I tried to squeeze in as many as I could. That doesn't change its intent, which is not a corporate-driven one, rather that of the person who originally brought the mag back. And it's because of him that the "man" still publishes it, whether you like the content or not. I never ignored readers; I strove to make the magazine the way it was intended to be ran. It has fought an inner identity crisis all along, which obviously is as much an outter crisis as well.

Okay, that's enough for me. I've been off the magazine for two months and I've just beefed more than I did the entire time I was on it! Thank god or whoever Damon isn't a regular here!

 

RF, Ask anyone here if they ever called Baskerville down for coining a word here and there. I for one looked forward to his butchering of the language, and he wrote very few things that didn't include at least one. my advice would be to tell them a VERY polite F**k YOU.

Frank

 

You guys are making me sick, you're all so irredundant.

 

I used to live for the magazines arriving every month.

Last week, for the price of a few magazines, I bought a set of plug wires and some old 16" Ford rims.

I kinda like my new direction. Sorry Rob, Scribe and the rest of you. I've finally kicked the habit. From here on out the magazine money will go to parts and gas so I can see real rods & rodders in their natural environment. Maybe I'll save enough to make it to Paso this year.

I wish you guys well, it's just not for me anymore.
I quit smokin' too. Guess it's midlife crisis time.
If you see me in a new red sports car, please smack some sense into me.

 

who cares.....I only read Ol Skool Rodz anyway.

 

I just realized that about 90% of why I ever bought either "Rodder" magazine was to get my fix of "Bill's Eye View"!
RIP Bill Burnham.

I usta think CR was about Customs.
I thought it was about '49, 50's and 60's cars that were "customized," but since these cars weren't new any more, but rusted out, worn out hulks that usually needed to be restored before they could be customized, there was also an emphasis on restoring and sometimes upgrading the chassis of these cars,along with "customizing" them.

Upgraded to make them safe and drivable Customs, not upgraded to make them into some bean-counting Corporation that also publishes Teen and Seventeen magazines' idea of what? post '48 "Street Rods"?
It's too bad Editors get stuck with the demands of the Corporate "Super-Editor" Must be like being the Commander who gets to lead troops into battle at the command of an insane General who just sit's back and counts "acceptible percentages" of casualties after

I don't think it's a magazine's job to invent a style.
It's a magazine's job to report the news of styles that are already happening, and as they are happening.

I vaguely remember Weesner writing an editorial to this effect (or is it affect, you anal retentive grammarians?) but I don't remember which issue, since it was probably ove a decade ago, and maybe that was just my mental "interpretation" of the writing.
Anyone know which issue's editorial of which I speak?
I still have all of them up to about a year ago, when I was informed I was reading the wrong magazine, or at least reading it for the wrong reasons....
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As for the need for kissing advertizer's ass in the editoral coverage... Even notice how many "Bling-Dubs" are advertized in Lowrider magazine and still 90+% of the featured cars still run the "traditional" straight laced Daytons?
They aren't trying to invent a new type of car, or kissing advertizers ass, just reporting on what's really happening in the Lowrider world.

If it (CR) isn't going to change, then it still won't come to this house...Thanks for the heads up... I read it for years thinking someday it'll get into the more traditional, oh well...

RF, hope the move is a good one and less "political" for you.
I think your car is cool too, I was checking it out at, somewhere, Mooneye's yard sale maybe?

 

What's the point of this thread?

 

Root, last week was tech week.
This week is bitch about magazines week.
Next week is drama week.
The following week is hang the new guys & drool over the new babes week.

I thought you knew the HAMB schedule by now.

 

I will just add to the rambling saying I get both mags because I continue to get dirt cheap annual rates offers and I like to look at the event photos. Sometimes you spot something totally unique or awesome that never gets a feature or further coverage.

I could care less about what they actually write and I would prefer it if Custom Rodder had more 50's - 60's era sleds instead of the current griswald wagon trend but oh well. Ramble on.

 

whatever I'll miss you over there RF, you did a good job, and thats all anyone needs to say.

Hi Johnny...

 

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Root, last week was tech week.
This week is bitch about magazines week.
Next week is drama week.
The following week is hang the new guys & drool over the new babes week.

I thought you knew the HAMB schedule by now.

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hahahahaha so true

 

Doc said "ANAL"

 

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Anybody know where Riz is going? He was pretty cool with the Budget Beater series on that RPU. Maybe Boyd hired him to replace Blue Bear!!!

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BINGO.... well sorta.

 

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Root, last week was tech week.
This week is bitch about magazines week.
Next week is drama week.
The following week is hang the new guys & drool over the new babes week.

I thought you knew the HAMB schedule by now.

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I cannot wait for the drooling over new babes next week

 

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Aust went to R&C it should be alright.

[/ QUOTE ] he's the new "tech" editor,which means everything he writes is a blowjob for an advertiser.like the "story" he did on the crank dampner this month

 

The days of the "consumer-based" big magazines are long, long gone. To have a purely editorally-driven publication, you need to have a large expendible income or put out a cheaper "fanzine" style mag. I don't stick up for the titles I work for from a personal standpoint...then I would be victim to the system.

For my no-nonsense rodding fix, I come here. But for some fucking reason, I can't escape the magazine shit!!!

 

Well thank the good Lord Almighty for the HAMB! Hambalujah!
I dig the mags for the people who are behind them, always have. I don't care for the infomercials either but they are a fact of life.

Hey Ryan this IS YOUR PLACE. Let's hear what you are thinking.

 

Hey Rob, any changes planned for the mag your goin to work for. I must be one of the minorities but I recently went thru most of my Customer Rodder issues (as I was giving them to a friend who collects them) and I looked thru the earier issues (I had ever issue since it came back out) and in my opinion they really sucked compared to some of the recent issues. I think the mag could show some custo rods from the 50's and 60's but I can live with it the way it is today.). I think while Rob was there it was a good mag... thou I am mad you never found me a free set of 18's for my wagon....

Best of luck at the new mag.

 

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Complaints that CR is not the "traditional custom" mag it used to be fall on deaf ears.

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Exactly why their requests for a subscription renewal have fallen on a deaf wallet.

Irregardless, I wish RF and Riz success in their new endeavors.

 

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The point is, magazines suck these days... And as an outsider, I don't know who to blame.

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...For my no-nonsense rodding fix, I come here. But for some fucking reason, I can't escape the magazine shit!!!

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Back up a bit, RF...all I did was to answer Born2late's initial query...and say Damon Lee knows customs...you were the one that jumped into the thread swinging and now say you "...can't escape the magazine shit!!!" You're the one that brought it up...I did not say anything derogatory about Rob Fortier, did I?

Perhaps you should keep your comments to yourself...it's called self-restraint...but then again, don't blame me...I just don't get it!

R-

 

I guess I must be one of the few guys on this board that can accept a magazine for what it is. I see 'em on the shelf . I pick 'em up and flip through 'em. If I like 'em I buy 'em, if I don't like 'em I put 'em back and keep walking. Then I go home and don't even think about 'em, and I especially don't bitch about 'em on a message board because I know it will never lead to a change. Of course, I have to read about it & I can't resist posting a reply.......

If the cars in CR aren't "custom" WTF are they, I mean seriously? Go and tell John D'Augustino that his cars aren't trad enough to be a "real" custom. Or Rick Dore - he uses billet on occasion so his cars don't count either. Dare I ask if Chris Titus's 'vert 56 Chevy is a custom? It's not traditional, but it sure as hell isn't stock. CR features some very trick stuff. Not ALL of it is done in high dollar shops and not ALL of it is traditional. I for one like the variety that was in CR while RF was there. I like to see something different. If every car in the mag was a chopped Merc with WWWs and hubcaps it'd fall flat on it's ass for being TOO traditional and TOO boring. Maybe I'm the only one, but I can look past a car with dubs and still see the cool parts...

And if you think that the horse leads the carriage - boy aren't you in for a suprise. But that horse is dead, do I really have to beat it again....

 

I think what he's saying is that he comes here for kicks, but still has to work for the magazines. I don't think you caught what he said right 40.

 

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Perhaps you should keep your comments to yourself...it's called self-restraint...but then again, don't blame me...I just don't get it!


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That was a sarcastic comment...had nothing to do with you or anything you said...just an example of my ability to speak my mind here w/o magazine restraints. But, over the past few years, I came to expect the typical comments from the Colorado crowd. Never offended (not easily offended), rarely pissed off. Though never really felt it was my duty to defend CR here, but at times the arguments were so assininal that I had to speak up. Guess we don't have to worry 'bout that no more...

 

I'm glad to have heard what happened over there with you RF and Riz. I was just shocked that PRIMEDIA stirred it up so much in the same breath. I should have learned by now.
Up till now, I haven't commented on content so I guess I might as well since I started this thread. Personally for $10 I'm thankful for anything to be printed on the subject and read what I want each month and don't read what doesn't interest me such as kit cars. I'm thankful I can also buy Deluxe and the like and I do. How much complaining can we do about a $10 item? Apparently, too much.

 

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... but at times the arguments were so assininal that I had to speak up.

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Is that another one of them there made up words?

 

^ Does not come up on Dictionary.com

 

I think Rob was trying to say ASS-IN-ANAL.