Good stuff. I was starting to slobber on the 1U crank stamp. Scrolling down, my anticipation was building. Nobody yet ? ... but happily it looks like you figured it out already. Have fun.
another item that I happen to have in my hoard is one of those F600 overdrive 5 speeds. Yep we gotta be cousins.
Old wolf! Do you want to sell it? Do you have the bell housing for it? Cousin? Chris is in need of one! Lol Bones
They go for about the same as after market intakes, I sold one the other day with the right date code to a guy for $350. Some are higher, depends. Bones
S55, that’s why I told him the Edlebrock Performer would work fo him, better low end torque. Hot rodding is not all about high rpm..... some of us like to walk the dog!...... but 7000 rpm is kool, been there and spent the money! Guess I’m getting old!!! Lol Bones
There was a used Edelbrock Performer at a swap meet last weekend for 250.00. a quick search on my phone showed they sell for more then that. Was on my way to the truck (with arms full) and went back and it was gone. Oh well, I do not it will be hard to find a good used one (vs paying 4-500.00 for a new one), and at that moment was not 100% sure that the intake I wanted. I have access to factory ones, but I would shave the weight if I could. Those cast iron ones are HEAVY
The Edlebrock performaner is OK for your use and cheap, because everyone wants the Edlebrock Performer RPM, because it builds more horsepower at high RPM, but in your case and mine we don’t need it. You stated you were going to keep the rpm down and want torque. That’s why the intake was $250 and not $350. I missed one the other day for $175, by a couple minutes! There are some stock Ford aluminum ones out there that will work good, too. Bones Bones
I just remembered sumthin. The 391 truck flywheel that is needed to use the truck bell. will not be balanced for a 410 or 428.
Are you saying you can’t use the 391 bell with out using the 391 flywheel? Do you know if the Five speed will bolt to a regular FE four speed bell housing? I actually haven’t done this change, just have all the parts , ready to! Bones
Yes, you can hot rod and not have to be aiming for 9 second passes, too. This thing will be the family wagon. I want to pile my kids in it, have it sound good and get around on and off the road good, do highway speeds with ease and look good doing it. I don't care about how fast it will go...as long as it will chug along around 65 all day and not struggle to get there. So- dumping a big block into an older vehicle IS hotrodding….even if the main goal isn't maximum horsepower
If it was behind a 391, the bellhousing would be for a FT and not an FE. They require you use the massive flywheel so that the starter will work. I wouldn't use the bellhousing, just the trans if it would bolt to my existing bellhousing. That, I will have to research
Hopefully, Old Wolf can help us, by comparing the five speed bolt pattern and snout diameter and distance to a four speed. I read an article, many years ago on this up grade, but have forgot where. I remember that it will work and fairly easy IIRC. Bones
There is much confusion, on all the forums, by folks referring to "truck" parts that are actually pickup stuff, not truck FT stuff- like the bellhousings. A real medium-truck FT bell is much different than a pickup bell, like the C5TA version, and the clutch assembly and such are different, as well as having mounting ears. The pickup bells for an FE are deeper than the car version, but can be found cheap, and will work with a car small-block toploader, which has a longer input shaft than the FE trannys. I know folks like to refer to their pickups as "trucks", but when talking parts, it just confuses things
I recall that the pickups used the same four point mounting system as the big trucks up until the mid sixties. 1966 for the F250 4x4.
Yep, this is slightly derailing this thread but what the hell, it’s been solved anyways 1965 was the first year Ford used FE’s in pickups. 1965-66 F250 4x4 and F350 used the same three point mounting system that the earlier trucks did. So, I found a local 65 F-250 4x4 fairly cheap that had a factory FE in it (well, In the bed), bought it, jerked the trans and bellhousing out and sold the truck again the same day. This bellhousing will bolt into the 60, and update the trans to the NP435. All of the transfer case linkage will also line up with the stuff in the 60 as well. Kind of a neat deal. Beings the 428 also came out of a 65 F350, it has the front mount and timing cover, all I need to do is a little fab work to make it fit the older truck crossmember and bam- an FE bolted into a 57-60 using all ford parts. That bellhousing even has the ears for the slave cylinder, as 57-60 Ford pickups used a hydraulic clutch.
There is also a C7 cast-iron timing cover that works with the front mount assembly, but also presents possibilities for a strong attachment to an engine plate- but are not light, and may have seal size problems. The aluminum boat stuff is much lighter if you can find one, and many time have ears for boat mounts that might work or can be trimmed- Nicson, Glenwood etc
The truck bell that's used on the 330 -361 & 391 engines must use the larger 14 inch flywheel. because the starter will not reach the smaller diameter pickup flywheel. Ive never seen a small diameter regular FE bell that a F 600 truck trans would bolt to. Not saying they do not exist. just ive never seen one. Ived got a 300 six propane power unit. It uses the same FE bell as a F600. however it has a steel adapter plate and a large diameter flywheel. I took all that stuff off and bolted it to a 250 ford six. was gonna install it in my 66 F 600. When I had the 430 Mel in my 56 ford truck I used a 330 truck bell and flywheel and a 56 granny 4 speed. Now they made bells that bolted a F 600 trans to Y blocks and 262 six engines.
Ok I got pictures. The overdrive 5 speed I have you need to use the F 600 bell that has the trans pattern and rear mounts like the first two pictures. That bell requires a large diameter flywheel and a 14 inch clutch. It also requires a large diameter clutch spline disk. the next picture is a FE pickup bell. and the last is a pickup bell on a 302. You might make a engine plate adapter to adapt a Y big truck block bell to a fe and use the smaller Y block flywheel? you need the rear engine mounts on the bell because there isn't any on the overdrive F700 trans.
That first bell you posted is crazy because it looks just like a BW T98 bolt pattern, in fact the whole thing looks just like a Y block or 223 4 speed bellhousing...but the C7 part number tells a different story. Thanks for the pics Old Wolf
Ok Im set them on the tailgate to compare. the F600 bell is about 3/4 inch beeper that a pickup bell. possibly machine a adapter plate from steel and weld rear mounts to it?
Yes I have Y block and 223-262 truck bells that have the same trans mounting pattern as the Bell I pictured. Up until 65 ford used a three point mounting. on the pickups. One in front and two on the bell. In 65 ford went to a reverse 3 point. two side engine mounts and one on the trans tail. However the 1965 F 500 and larger trucks retained the early three point used in all 64 and older trucks. You might find a old adapter to adapt a Fe to the early round half bell flathead trans. and then use a 46 truck ford mini bell and make that work.
That 3/4" would seem to allow plenty of room for an adapter plate added to the pickup bell, and then maybe it would work with the regular big-spline car toploader disc and plate
Awesome! Ask your customer if he needs a co- pilot? I will volunteer! That thing is going to fly! Bones
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