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Technical F-1 brakes on 40-48 spindles

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by b-bob, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. b-bob
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    If I remember right , this is a matter of a bearing swap?

    Does anyone know the bearing numbers to be able to mount these brakes on my spindles?
    Any other help would be appreciated as well, Brian
     
  2. Malcolm
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    These are the part numbers I used to put '53 F100 brakes on my '46 spindles:

    Seals:
    BCA/NATIONAL Part # 450461

    Bearings:
    TIMKEN Part # 09067
    TIMKEN Part # 09195
    TIMKEN Part # 14116
    TIMKEN Part # 14276


    I think F1 and and F100 hubs use the same bearings/seals, right?


    Malcolm
     
  3. need louvers ?
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    Yup! I have found that the bearings have gotten EXPENSIVE at my local bearing warehouse to do this conversion in the last couple of years. I hate to say, 'cause I probably know the country of origin, but Speedway sells a F-1, F-100 to early Ford bearing kit that has all you need and the seals for about 40.00... I can't vouch for the quality though.
     

  4. i have seen that part # many times as the seal to use ,both on here and in magazine articles , but as far as i'm concerned , it is wrong....that seal is for a 1.5 inch shaft....the seal surface on a old ford spindle is 1.562 inches

    i have always used national # 473441.....this one is for a 1.562 shaft
     

  5. Malcolm
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    I'm glad you brought that up. When assembling everything, I noticed that seal fits really tight around the spindle shaft. Didn't seem quite right, but I went with it anyways. It did wear the seal down quickly, but thankfully didn't harm anything. Thanks for the other/correct part number!
     
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    I used an F1 Speedway bearing kit on my '40 a few years ago, about 6K miles so far.
    Everything OK.
     
  8. b-bob
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    Wow you guys are absolutely incredible. Not just the part numbers, but a magazine article as well.
    Much appreciated. Brian
     
  9. fatabone
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    Look at the article and grind the bearing! I have used the Speedway bearings with great success on many cars.
     
  10. b-bob
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    I will and thanks for the advice. I am going to go chase bearings on Monday.:D
     
  11. fatabone
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    The last time I bought them at the parts store they cost me $140 compared to the $50 from Speedway and they were still made in China.
     
  12. T&A Flathead
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    Has anyone used the F1 spindle on a 32-48 axle ?
     
  13. trailer-Ed
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    I have. Fits just like any early ford spindle, but you loose your cross steer unless you put on aftermarket steering arms. F-1 was not cross steer. I used f-1 brakes and spindles on my old 32 that was in R&C.
     
  14. T&A Flathead
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    Which issue was your 32 in R&C? I can't remember what it looked like.
     
  15. trailer-Ed
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    sept 2003, satin black tudor, flatty, channeled, unchopped highboy. What steering box you plan to run? an F-1 box would make all these parts fit your car sweet!!
     
  16. b-bob
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    So far I have gathered the backing plates, hubs and good drums. The rest, I hope to get new.
     
  17. I have never done it but it is my understanding that running early Ford wire wheels on the pickup drums requires an extremely thick spacer. You might ask Richard Lacy at [email protected], (626) 338-2282.

    Charlie Stephens
     
  18. b-bob
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    Oh great, I never thought about the different shape of the drums.
    I will have check that, thanks Charlie.
     

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