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Hot Rods Does Preformance Really matter anymore

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Speed Gems, Jul 31, 2015.

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  1. falcongeorge
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    4 speeds are great in traditional hot rods, but when you start trying to hook a low ten second street car with one, well, you'd better bring a trailer, or you may end up walking home.
     
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  2. falcongeorge
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    Lately, I have taken to listening to Coltrane when I am driving, instead of the Sonics. I find it helps me to stay a little more chilled, and restrain some of my 'baser instincts"...:eek::D I'm not making this up, it really seems to help, and my gas mileage has improved too...:p

    One thing we really have going for us out here in BC is the gas. We have Chevron 94 with no alcohol in it, its really pretty good gas, with cold air and tight squish, I can push 205/210 cranking, no problems.
     
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  3. falcongeorge
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    Responsible??:rolleyes: REALLY??!! shaking head....
     
  4. Yeah, I'm not talking about guys that can't row a 4 speed because of physical limitations. I sold Benno that nasty 65 chevy farm truck when it was stock with a 327/4 speed truck trans. We were standing in my yard, admiring the truck on his trailer and he said the first thing he was gonna do was build a proper motor for it and swap it over to an automatic trans....which he did. I was sorry to see it changed to a slush-box but I totally understand. His legs aren't up to working a heavy clutch either. 65chevypu.jpg
     
  5. dirty old man
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    There's a helluva lot of us that have legs getting weak. I'm already using my heel instead of the ball of my foot!`
     
  6. Gman0046
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    Yep, the clutch in my 63 BelAir is flat out wearing me out. Having a torn Miniscus in my left knee doesn't help the situation.

    Gary
     
  7. SicSpeed
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    This is funny , When I was young I learned to listen to classical to calm me, it really worked. Back then I was always thinking of the next race. My stereo consists of just the sound of the engine and the twice pipes. Listing to L/Z definitely make the right foot heavy.
     
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  10. blazedogs
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    Speaking for myself I enjoy the old modifieds ,the customs and performance cars of the past. Whether I win any races is not important.The looks of a old rod,the throaty sound of a v-8 are where it's at. I spend hours out in the shop building and relaxing ,going to car shows and getting ideas.I was told once it's a form of art,each has his own ideas and builds to suit himself. At my age I don't care what the new generation is interested in...The 50's and 60's were some of the best days of my life.I guess you might say" I'm reliving those days" .I can't think of any better way to spend the my last days Gene
     
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  11. Zandoz
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    The actual bills, yes...the financial repercussions from those bills, a dozen years later, no.
     
  12. Zandoz
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    Who ever built that truck must have been channeling my long departed dad. His wheeled weapon of choice formula was a pumped up cross-ram MOPAR big block in the smallest Plymouth station wagon he could find. He chewed up more than a few "Muscle Cars" back in the '60s with that combo.
     
  13. gimpyshotrods
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    Once we subtract all the suggestions of engines and parts that came after 1965, what is left for actual traditional horsepower and torque?
     
  14. Zandoz
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    Ehhhhh.... Everyone's definition of performance is going to vary to some degree or alot. Build what you want and is within your means...financially and otherwise. Let other folks get their undies in a knot over labels. No matter what you do, there will always be folks who's standards you don't meet. Don't let others steal your happy!
     
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  15. slammed
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    DOES PREFORMANCE REALLY MATTER ANYMORE. That is a question suited to each individuals desire. TIME. MONEY> TALENT> TIME. Years and years ago reading a Grump Jenkins article he related how one day he took a 'tech' call from a fella he did not know. It was cam/head selection for his Chevy. Nearing the end of the conversation he asked the caller what Class his car was in. The caller replied he was not a Class racer/drag racer but owned street car. "WHAT? Grumpy yells, I WASTED over an hour on the phone with a @#$!**@!*^#@ STREET SQUIRREL !?!?
     
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  16. squirrel
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  17. Larry T
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    Something with lots of cubic inches. So W motors, 396s, big FE Fords, Mopar has hemis and wedges, BOPs. Some of the small blocks were ok to, but they don't have the torque of big blocks.
     
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    Someday: A 413 in a Model A. Mild cam/3.55 gear and Interstate travel w/Stone Temple Pilots cranked as co-pilots. For now a mild SBC in the '61 3" off the road @ 4,000 RPM (3.0 gear) for hours on end gets it done.
     
  20. tfeverfred
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    Slammed! My crazy girlfriend happened to spot your avatar. She thought I was on a porn site!:D Keep 'em coming! She's making me a sandwich now!

    As for this performance topic......... any punk ass can go to a dealership and buy a fast car. New, with a gawd damn warranty. Performance? Yup, BUT.... it will NEVER... EVER be as much fun as putting together a go-fast project on your own. That's where it's at and the reason we're here. I had a yahoo in a new Vette ask me if I thought my car was cooler than his. I replied, "Hey. You chased me down to look at mine. Not the other way around."
     
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  21. SicSpeed
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    LOL
     
  22. Interesting talk about bikes. I dont throw a leg over anything newer than 48. The newer bikes just dont have the same feel. You are soooo much more connected to a kick start; tank shift; spark retard; pogo stick ride. As far as the collage tuition i had my kids pay their own way. They worked extra hard for a nursing and engineering degree because it was their money. Its good to see so many others who are also into real performance. Its hot outside i think i will go cool off. A ride on the 34vld harley should do it.
     
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  23. Truckedup
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    I like fast cars, I like the V8 sound.....But being realistic most of us have no place to really use 700 HP sanely Cars with big sound draw alot of attention and that's not always good. But I'm glad some guys do build them..
    Bikes? I have old and new. I do ride sport bikes,some are stock 10 second 1/4 mile machines with top speeds over 170 mph. Bikes are smaller and draw less attention generally . Shit happens real quick on the road with brutal acceleration.. ...Time is compressed so what's in the distance is right in your face in a few seconds. I'm also 68 years old and my reflexes ain't what they were...
    A lot of enjoyment can be had with a 300 HP lighter weight car or even a 200 HP Flathead ... It's all whatever you enjoy.
     
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  24. ^ Frickin' Fantastic, I get comments all the time about being too old to ride a crotch rocket. I'm usually the oldest person on rides and I'm 10 years younger than you. Keep young , stay safe and enjoy life. PS., I like the Triumph too.
     
  25. Clik
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    From what I read on here, the nostalgia drags are growing. I just happened on a 440 HP that I plan to replace the slant six in my Dodge panel truck. It's at the machine shop now. Machine shop is swamped with diesel work. The young boys up here in the mountains are rolling coal and blowing their turned up diesels apart left and right. TUNER CARS ARE FOR DORK PAJAMA BOYS WHO LIVE WITH MOM.
     
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  26. Nostrebor
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    I've poured buckets of cash on fast, played with late model stuff, seriously autocrossed Corviars (unsuccessfully) and did the street race teen thing.

    My current build will not be any of those things. I'm going for dependable, hopefully decent mileage, clutch because I want to, and decent sound. I don't even really want it to be loud. I just want to jump in and cruise with the windows down, put my arm around my lady, and watch the world go by. Everything else about my current job and life is ultra-rat race fast paced chaos. I want my car to be relaxed.

    Does this mean I don't like to go fast or want to build that again. Nope. Just not right now.
     
  27. Hey Chillumite....Wasn't Dork Pajama Boys the name of a 90's punk band?
     
  28. falcongeorge
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    Convolution
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    For the usage in formal language theory, see Convolution (computer science). For other uses, see Convolute.
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    Visual comparison of convolution, cross-correlation and autocorrelation.
    In mathematics and, in particular, functional analysis, convolution is a mathematical operation on two functions f and g, producing a third function that is typically viewed as a modified version of one of the original functions, giving the area overlap between the two functions as a function of the amount that one of the original functions is translated. Convolution is similar to cross-correlation. It has applications that include probability, statistics, computer vision, natural language processing, image and signal processing, electrical engineering, and differential equations.

    The convolution can be defined for functions on groups other than Euclidean space. For example, periodic functions, such as the discrete-time Fourier transform, can be defined on a circle and convolved by periodic convolution. (See row 10 at DTFT#Properties.) And discrete convolution can be defined for functions on the set of integers. Generalizations of convolution have applications in the field of numerical analysis and numerical linear algebra, and in the design and implementation of finite impulse response filters in signal processing.

    Computing the inverse of the convolution operation is known as deconvolution.

    I believe the word you MAY be searching for here(hard to say, the inner workings of you mind appear to be a dark and confusing place, even to me) is convulsions.
    Son, your doin' a lot of chopping, but no chips are flyin'. I admire the effort, but if you want to sit down front and heckle me, you are going to have to polish your act a little more. As a long time admirer of "the rooster" and someone who has at least attempted to live a life rooted in his philosophy, no son, that was not a joke, it was a swing and and a miss, and an insult to all "Foggy" stood for.
    Now to your use of the word "responsible". God forbid, I should ever interfere with the right of a man to "lay cable" in the comfort of his own home. Perish the thought. No sir, my bemusement was caused by your use of that word in relation to hot rods.
    Using the word "responsible" in relation to hot rods and project cars, is ONLY excusable when attempting to pass off some sorry bullshit justification on your wife, or back in the "traditional" days of the fifties, your parents. Six cylinder or otherwise, it wont fly in front of your fellow car guys. We know better, there is NOTHING responsible about hot rods, they are the antithesis of responsibility.
     
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  29. falcongeorge
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    Have either of you looked into a Centerforce dual friction? A friend has one in a modified 5.0, it has pretty low pedal effort, and they stand up pretty well in moderate performance applications. I think they are diaphragm with counterweights? I don't have one myself, but the only caveat I have heard is that they are not very good for drag racing on street tires, initial engagement is a bit harsh, and they don't respond well to being slipped off the starting line, so I would stay away from them if you are drag racing your street car regularly.
     
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  30. luckythirteenagogo
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    Cities using the police as fundraisers has killed the ability of using any real power on the street by me. Between photo enforcement cameras at stoplights that will send you a ticket in the mail for running through a yellow light or 'jack rabbit starts' into the intersection, and getting pulled over for going 5 miles over, the high horsepower cars are just a reason to get pulled over now. Not to mention you can buy a brand new car with V6's putting out over 330hp.
     
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