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Technical Does anyone know who made this blower? 1950's So. Cal possible prototype

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by ciscokid, May 28, 2021.

  1. ciscokid
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    1950's So. Cal aftermarket speed equipment. This belongs to an elder friend of mine who's been hot rodding his whole life and has not came across another one since! As far as he knows, it's one of a kind. It's designed to fit a 49-50 Cadillac or Olds engine. The casting is "WGW". Any feedback is appreciated, and I'll pass it along to him.

    Note: it's not a Judson or Marshman

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  2. Ebbsspeed
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    Hmmm, I'd like to see the inside of that one. It appears that the "rotor" or whatever is inside to pump air is centered in the housing, so I'm not sure how it works.
     
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  3. Harv
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    Suspect concentric sliding vane, like some air tools.

    Can’t quite read the details cast into the NDE - any closeup photos please?

    cheers,
    Harv
     
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  4. Kinda' looks like a Judson supercharger .. ... yes ??
     

  5. ciscokid
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    Hey Harv,

    Unfortunately that's the only picture that was sent to me. He also told me that it's brand new. Quite the unicorn! Thanks for the response!
     
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  6. Tim
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    Didn’t @IronTrap come up with something similar in the last year or so?
     
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  7. That was a Marshman casting. No ribs.
     
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  8. ciscokid
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    Good question? I'll message him with the picture. Thanks!
     
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  9. ciscokid
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    That's awesome! I looked up his post about the Marshman supercharger. That's probably it! Thanks for the reply!
     
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  10. Harv
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    The Marshman appears to be an integral supercharger/manifold casting (https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...arshman-supercharger-flathead-intake.1183421/)

    Yours looks more like a standalone unit (separate inlet/exhaust manifolds) similar to a Judson, Wray or Norman. Those sliding vane superchargers are eccentric though (like the Marshman), whilst yours appears to be concentric.

    More info on the Aussie Norman and Wray machines here:
    http://www.fbekholden.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=18810

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
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  11. ciscokid
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    Yes it does, but he told me it's not a Judson. Funny that you mentioned that!
     
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  12. ciscokid
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    Awesome info! Thanks Harv!
     
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  13. Ebbsspeed
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    Yeah, that's what makes me want to see the inside of it. I suppose the rotor could be centered and the center of the casting be offset but that would mean there's a lot of extra metal/weight. And I doubt it's an axial flow with those large pulleys on it.
     
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  14. Moriarity
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    I made the pic bigger. cool blower
     
  15. Tman
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    Its cool. I can kinda see some marks cast on the ends?
     
  16. Being centered it seems to indicate an axial flow type design. Agree that more pics and close-ups of any casting numbers or ID would help a lot.
     
  17. ciscokid
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    Thanks for all the replies! I spoke with my friend and got a lil more info. He said the casting marks say "WGW". Not sure if that's the brand or initials of the designer or casting manufacturer? It was purchased in 1958 from a speed shop in So. Cal that was closing its doors. My friend bought it at a swap meet in the early 90's from that person who was in his 80's at the time of that purchase. Surprisingly, it's not a vane style rotor. He told me it has a "T" style shaft from end to end with a 6 inch reinforced rubber hose in place of what should be the rotor. Very interesting, and possibly a one off prototype?
     
  18. Tman
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    I would add Socal and 1950s to your title. SOMEBODY knows
     
  19. ciscokid
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    Great idea! Will do, thanks!
     
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  21. Harv
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    Sounds like a peristaltic pump... haven't seen one of them used as a blower before.

    Curious minds need to see the internals of this thing.

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
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  22. Late evening bump.......
     
  23. ciscokid
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    Yeah, I'm working on that.
     
  24. alchemy
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    WGW was the Whatsit Gear Works. They made lots of speed equipment, but none of it was successful. Their slogan was "Whatsit Fit?".
     
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  25. lippy
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    Cool, Whatsit worth?
     
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  26. Harv
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    Yep, WGW's subsidiary company Whatsa made the world famous Henway :p.

    Ciscokid, if you draw a total blank here then one option may be to contact Karl Ludvigsen (www.karlludvigsen.com). Karl is currently writing a book on the history of supercharging, and has collected info from all over the place. It's a long shot, but he may have heard of your blower.

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
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  27. bchctybob
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    If it isn’t an axial flow and it is a peristaltic pump, it would really be interesting to see the insides.
     
  28. ciscokid
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    I knew I'd get some great feedback by posting it on here! I passed the info on to my friend this evening, and it made his day! He's 78 years old and has been hot rodding his whole life. He's going to attempt to get in touch with Karl Ludvigsen with the help of his daughter. I will continue to post with any new info or pictures. My friend has waited a long time for this kind of information! Thanks again to the HAMB community!
     
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