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  1. Departed
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    Has anyone seen these before? Wondering if maybe they were aftermarket from back in the day..??
    It was on my 40 Ford flathead.
    Thanks

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  2. rusty valley
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    never seen one but its pretty cool. not a ford part, no name any where? looks like it was working for a while as the drive is pretty wore
     
  3. blowby
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    No vacuum hookup? Industrial maybe?
     
  4. Part of it looks like a aftermarket Mallory unit, possibly marine? HRP
     

  5. lowrd
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    Marine use?
     
  6. squirrel
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  7. Ralphies54
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    Looks cool and way different, I'd rebuild it and proudly run it. Ralphie
     
  8. bill gruendeman
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    Is that a part number and maybe a manufacture date?
     
  9. rusty valley
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    squirrel got it again i believe, lucas. seems i remember UK mart talking about here somewhere
     
  10. Departed
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    Looks like that Lucas one yes! That's what was on my car and ran it until the end of last season. Worked ok but needed some fine tuning. The cap is broken on it too. And the cam is warn out too...
    Thanks guys!


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  12. alchemy
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    I've got one on the shelf, I've never used it. I wonder if the Brits among us can help source new or NOS caps, rotors, and points for them? Can the Prince of Darkness build a good distributor?
     
  13. brading
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    ^ Found some guys that do Lucas magneto repairs, will contact them and let you know.
     
  14. Departed
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    I ran mine for half a season but my cap was broken (as you can see in the pictures) and well, the points were bad and the drive was starting to flatten .. but otherwise, it ran half decent. It was starting to misfire a bit sometime probably caused by humidity and a combination of the rest of the condition of the dizzy which ran surprisingly good for it's condition.
     
  15. Departed
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    please post it on here. I might be interested in rebuilding this one as well.
     
  16. brading
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    Just to update you on the spares situation. Have tried a number of places over here and all I have got back so far is that it is a very rare magneto. Still awaiting for a couple of replies
     
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  17. Departed
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    Thanks for the update Brading!
     
  18. alchemy
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    It might be a VERY rare magneto, because it isn't a magneto. It's just a distributor. It doesn't have magnets inside. Search for distributor parts instead.
     
  19. brading
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    Thanks for putting me right " alchemy " have not got a clue where I got magneto from. Got some part numbers to work with now.
    Model No Lucas DULFH8A
    Cap 411029
    Rotor Arm 411031
    Points 403670
    Condenser 400308
    Will see if I can find a supplier over here now.
     
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  21. alchemy
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    Cool. Wonder how much US$$ is 185L's? Note the NOS cap comes with vintage dead bugs in it. :D
     
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  22. 2OLD2FAST
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    $235.62
     
  23. alchemy
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    That's more than I paid for a whole distributor.
     
  24. brading
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    There is a NOS cap on ebay in France for 95 Euro about $111. If anybody would like I can keep my eyes open for NOS parts.
     
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  25. 2OLD2FAST
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    Dont they say " that's where two fools met , one for asking and the other for paying ?" LOL
     
  26. Departed
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    Awesome !!! I think it'll be my next mini project. I'll rebuild this unit and maybe sell it or keep it.... see how it looks after I'm done :)
    Thanks Brading!!


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  27. brading
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    Glad to have been able to help out " Departed ".
     
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  28. Mart
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    It's a Lucas commercial or industrial distributor. I have a NOS one here. They're ok but not great. They are compatible with long nose cams or you need a button. The weak point is the rotor arm. The spark eventually shorts down the side of the rivet and shorts out to the shaft. The points have a very wide foot and run on a 4 lobe cam. By some miracle the desired dwell angle is achieved. There is no vac advance or brake.
    The neat thing is the crossover wires are dealt with internally in the cap. there should be a smaller secondary cap over the middle of that one.
    Personally, other than the novelty value in the USA they are not a superior unit compared to a crab and are not worth spending mega bucks on, especially when you tot up the cost of spares.
    Points turn on UK ebay occasionally (look for the wide foot) and caps rarely.
    There are Lucas magnetos that look similar but a lot longer. I have a couple of those too. the caps look similar but are different. the mags are intended for industrial applications, although Ken Cooper and now his son Bradley Cooper, UK flathead drag racers use a heavily modified Lucas mag on their dragster.
    The UK Ford Pilot distributor is similar looking but has an 8 lobe cam, narrow foot points, a vac brake and a different cap.

    I just remembered I put the Lucas 4 lobe on my Churchill timing fixture. Video here



    Mart.
     
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  29. Departed
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    Thanks for the info !


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  30. jimmy six
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    I’d be reluctant and paranoid too. Lucas “Prince of Darkness”
     

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