The Jalopy Journal
Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by squirrel, Nov 27, 2017.
Gutting it sure does change its demeanor. My mind's eye wants to turn it into a pick-up Lol.
we already had that discussion on another part of the internet! Not happening...
When the trunk lid and back window go on again, it'll look right.
Wouldnt a flip front be easier ?
You could take a mould of the original parts after they have been modified,
I've been thinking about a flip front, but it would be pretty long, unless I put filler panels between the cowl and the front. There are lots of ways to do this, many of them will work, I still need to decide what my priorities are.
I don't know why, but it just now dawned on me that one of my favorite race cars solved a few of your problems this way:
That's one way to do it! I want the blower in front of the windshield. Just barely.
Designing stuff isn't really all that easy.
Fixing or replacing a quarter or fender on that bakarruda would be more than enough and a special set of skills. Designing new parts and how they work together then making them parts is another whole different world.
Preachin to the choir....
since you are stretching the front and moving the engine back. I guess you will not be needing a 'glass hood
I will need a glass hood, I just don't know yet what it will look like.
Way late to the dance here....aren't those cars really heavy, I mean you're going to be launching a rocket there, not a fiberglass Corvette, or your Nova that I love.
These cars are really heavy...until you cut away most of the weight, and leave only the shell.
Would you consider 2900 pounds stock to be heavy?
In my opinion anything but a flat, stretched stock hood would ruin the traditional look.Every car in 66 had a stock type ( don't CARE about rare exceptions, post them if you must, few and far in between). I AM talking about Barracudas here.
Nothing in my book is cooler that a bug catcher and blower through a stocker.
NOT a big fan of bubbles, ramps, scoops etc. when it comes to hoods. They don't look good on the Barracuda, possibly exempting Pandemonium.
And I WAS going to post I have nothing to say! WTF do I know anyway?
I have, of course, more opinions than knowledge!
Your comment about weight and this cuda, and then slayers got me curious. To find a Corvette "lighter" than the Cuda you would have to go all the back to the beginning. Only the 1953 Corvette had a even close to curb weight of the 65 Cuda, and they out weighed the Cuda by 50 lbs. Interesting stuff huh?
"Simplify, then add lightness."
Thanks all for the weight analysis. Squirrel, I would guess you wouldn't be driving this to the drags, OR WILL HE?!
Cosmo49, Jim's intent was to drive the car to Drag Weeks, from his home in AZ. It will definitely be street driven!
A 65 Barracuda was one of the lightest production ( not counting the drag race specials) cars Chrysler Corp built. That was why they were so much fun with a small V8.
Funny things happen when you start moving parts like this car is going to see, one change can effect 20 more things, then changing any one of those things can effect 20 other things. It sounds easy, but it gets complex pretty quickly if you work through most of the things that will be effected before you begin. Then, as the build progresses, different things you didn't think of, or had no idea would have had to be altered will present themselves. Fun and games, but not for the weak at heart. Jim tends to make this stuff look easy. I'm following along because I know I'm going to learn a bunch of stuff through Jim's experience. Gene
Jim drives everything everywhere!
I'm in the 'Unbearable Lightness of Being' camp.
To see if a part is too heavy, you throw it in the air, if it comes down it's too heavy!
I had an early Vette. I think the frame weighed more than the 1965 Barracuda
I'm hooked on this topic.... I may have to buy some popcorn... I am so interested in seeing how the barracuda turns out.
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"heavy" is all relative. The car is pretty darn light, until you add a blown hemi and a Dana 60 rear end...
I've been looking at the body structure. I intend to cut out the entire floor and firewall, and replace it with a rectangular tube chassis, necessary crossmembers, and aluminum panels. I expect I will leave most of the door jambs, and the rocker panels.
There is a LOT of bracing inside the edges of the roof, and the rear window surround. The fun question is, how much can I cut out? I know I need to leave the edge of the bracing, but I think I can cut away most of the tube shape (there is an upper and lower piece around the perimeter of the roof). I can add some bracing from the cage to the roof, although I don't know if that's a good idea or not.
I am pretty sure I will cut out most of the inner quarter panel, and probably the lower half of the inner brace between the trunk and the rear window. I also plan to trim away most of the area around the trunk hole, which currently is used to support the weatherstrip.
Every pound is worth about a thousandth of a second...
I don't intend to drive this car to Drag Week...that would be really stupid!
wait...I've said that before...
I would never say don't cut something up, but man that is one solid rust free machine. Nice to start with a good one, and go straight to the modifications.
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Every pound of that original iron down there may help someone out where mean ole man winter and mother nature wreak havok on period steel...Do you find homes for this stuff other than the back 40...such a clean car that is...
Jim, I built more than one dirt track car that had nothing but the outer "tin" hung on the roll cage. I realize you plan to drive this thing from place to place, but there ain't much more abuse you can put on the body metal than a season on the"bull ring" clay ovals of the Southeast back in the 60s and 70s. Will they allow and would you be willing to climb in the window instead of opening a door? Welding the outer door skin to the roll cage and rear quarter adds a helluva lot of strength to the body structure.
The doors have to work. I plan to make fiberglass doors. I also want to keep the original design for the side windows, the quarter windows will be stationary, but I want the vent windows to work, and the door windows to go up and down (but with a strap to hold them up). I think all the windows except the windshield will be Lexan.
I would like to sell the complete floor, with the suspension attached....I know there are folks that want it...the hard part is getting it to them.
I hope the next picture has sparks and sheet metal hitting the floor
I'm not quite there yet.
I need to get some rear wheels, so I can work on the rear axle. I need to get the front axle so I can figure out how wide the frame will be.
I think I will put a 4 link in the back, with coilovers (but an older design, not modern billet shocks). This is not right for the period, but I think it's something I have to do to make the car go fast and be driveable, and also have the adjustment I think it will need, since I don't really know how everything will work.
If you must. What's wrong with MoPar super Stock leafs, reversed with a huge snubber?
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