5 x 4.25 bolt pattern!?!? What the heck are they?

Hey guys. I 've mentioned these wheels in a couple of other posts, but nobody really had any answers, so I thought I'd ask the whole board!

I have these 17" artillery style wheels, and they are a 5 x 4.25 bolt pattern. I've never heard of anything that size, have you?

 

I believe early chevy, maybe truck.

I just scrapped an axle with that pattern and it was really heavy duty to have that small of a pattern.

 

Ok, cool... Everybody seemed to think they were a chevy wheel, EXCEPT for the bolt pattern, maybe they really are!

Thanks!

 

5 X 4 1/4"
Volvo 140, 164
Volvo All Thru 1989
Ford T-Bird 1989

They'd look goooood on a 89 T-bird

 

I agree with the Chevy guess, The later ones were six lug...I believe those are earlier Chevy wheels you have.

 

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5 X 4 1/4"
Volvo 140, 164
Volvo All Thru 1989
Ford T-Bird 1989

They'd look goooood on a 89 T-bird


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They'd look good on a full fendered car with some select suspension parts adapted out of any of the above.
Use your noggin!

Tex Smith used Volvo front brake rotors on a Ford beam axle so it's possible.
I think I read here that that's been done in Sweden too.

 

Small Mopars, like Dart & Valiant also have 5x4 1/4"...

 

Alot of Ferraris are 5-4.25. Look like Maybe mid 80's 288 GTO?

 

'34-'35 Chevy Standard, the Master is 6 hole.

 

MOPAR,they had that bolt bc early years to 72 mid size cars,maybe an OFF brand like terraplane or some such , I think ALL pre 48 chevy's are 6 hole.neat wheels i know of a pr but one is rotten, they are on a home made trailer

 

Sorry Mike not ALL pre 48 chevy's are 6 hole, like I said '34 and '35 chevy std. are 5 hole. Wheel base is 107 inches. Master were 6 hole with a wheel base of 112 or 113 ( not sure) inches.

 

Ummm.... Mopars have a standard 5 x 4 1/2" bolt pattern. My Challenger, Charger, and '52 Plymouth all have it. The pre '73 A-bodies (darts valiants early Cudas etc) used a 5 x 4"

 

I thought that the mopars measured 4 1/4", my 46 had 4 1/2", but my 54 Ply Belv. had the smaller bc wheels and that all the early chevy's had 6 holes , but hey I was'nt around for ALL of the cars , LOL, never saw a 5 hole early chevy tho that does'nt mean they were'nt out there, maybe i'm thinking about chevy wire wheels, well, i guess we STILL don't know what they fit,lol

 

4 1/4 is also a Mopar size like said above. If you bought a budget mobile like a base duster that's what you got.

 

The Mopar ones were from 62-72 A-body only. Those look much earlier than that.

 

I think Yugo and Skoda used that pattern too

 

They look like 36 chevy Standard car wheels. Jay

 

This is a 17" Mopar 5 on 4.5

 

They look an awful lot like 36 Willys wheels but I don't think they used 17" on that small of a car.
Max

 

http://www.mrt-wheels.com/boltpatternref.html

 

33-36 Willys have that style artillerary wheel but I believe the early willys' were 4 lug..

 

The Mopar small bolt pattern is a 4" bolt circle, and it was used from the early 60s until the mid 70s in the small cars like Dusters and Darts. Most Mopars have a 4 1/2" bolt circle, but some trucks and Imperials have a 5" or 5 1/2" bolt circle. Even the bolt pattern on the 5 lug front wheel drive were 100MM which is real close to 4". Intrepids and such are 4 1/2" bolt circle. Far as I have ever seen, Mopar never made a 4 1/4" bolt circle. Gene

 

I think you should measure those wheels again. On ANY 5 lug wheel, you have to measure from the ''''backside'''' of one hole to the ''center'' of farthest hole away. Center to center measure on a 5 lug will ALLWAYS be about a 1/4" short. I'm guessing, you have 5 x 4.5 wheels there.

 

here are more links:

wheel bolt patterns

more wheel bolt patterns

 

I had measured them the way that everyone said to, and I cam up with 4.25, so I figured I was wrong, that's why Fab32 (Thanks Frank!) brought over his plastic bolt pattern gauge, and sure enough, the 4.5" circle was too big! (by about 1/8" all the way around)

 

Hi, guys well some of you are right and some are wrong.... sorry !!
The 5X4.25 (5x4 1/4-5x108mm) pattern is Ferrari, Volvos, Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, and the T-Birds mentioned in this post, it is NOT a Chevy pattern......they used 5x4.75, 5x5 and the early 6 lug. It is NOT the A body Mopar either, that pattern is 5x4 and that pattern was ONLY used from '62-'72 (and continued through '76 on the 6 banger A bodies) obviously these wheels are older then that..........
I hate to say it, but I would have to say that these wheels are 5x4.5 (5x4 1/2) and were simply measured wrong, if the wheels are measured improperly the result will be 1/4 of an inch off. A 5 lug pattern is setup at 72 degrees (360 degrees divided by 5) so the pattern cannot be measured straight across the center hole like a 4 lug can (because that pattern is at 90 degrees).
If you look at the 5 lug pattern like a clock (putting one hole at 12 o'clock) clockwise the next hole will be at about 2 and the next at about 5.... If you measure from the CENTER of the hole at 12 o'clock to the OUTSIDE edge of 5 o'clock you will come out with the correct pattern (in this case most likley 4 1/2 inches) or if you make a centerline disecting 5 and 7 o'clock, and then measeure on that line from the 6 o'clock position (across the hub hole) to the CENTER of 12 o'clock you will get the same results........
I don't know everything , however I have been in the WHEEL business for 25+ years............

just my 3 1/2 cents.........

-SAM

 

Well thanks 5 spoke, but see the post directly above yours...

 

yea....well that post wasn't there while I was so elequently composing mine......

did you use the circular plastic bolt pattern gauge ???? or the one that measures from hole to hole ??? the circular ones are good but if the center holes are not centered then it reads off......

just trying to help.........cause even Volvo did not use the 4.25 bolt circle in the years that these wheels were produced ????

-SAM

 

mopar had a small bolt pattern like that

 

It's cool, thanks for the effort, but they were measured the tape measure way, and with the plastic circular bolt pattern gauge, and both methods came up at 4.25", so I have no reason to believe that they're a 4.5".