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455 Buick Olds or Pontiac Which is most desireable, reliable etc

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 51ChevPU, Mar 31, 2011.

  1. 51ChevPU
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    I have a few projects (56 Buick , 55 Caddy) that could use a 455 Buick Olds or Pontiac engine. I was going in this direction primarily for the torque these engines produce. The question becomes, which of these motors is most desireable, reliable or rebuildable. I'm just looking for commentary on the pros and cons between these engines. Look forward to your responses. Thanks.
     
  2. 53sled
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    don't discount the 500 caddy either. small block weight, big block torque.
    Pontiac has the most aftermarket support, then olds, buick and finally caddy.
     
  3. ironhead68
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    Buick in da Buick.
    Caddy in da caddy.
     
  4. olsguy
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    i like all 3 for the torque. but if i had to pick one i would go with the buick i have always kind of liked buick. the olds might be a bit more reliable i know there small blocks will last forever but i have no real experiance with the 455 just stories i have herd. i know a few pontiac guys that love there 455s but they also dont drive there cars on a regular basis either. i know the pontiac engine is hard to find because they all look the same. if it did not hve to be a GM engine you could always go with the 460 ford or a crysler 440. just for the love of god do not put a small block chevy in either one.
     

  5. 49ratfink
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    Pontiacs look the coolest.
     
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  6. 73RR
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    All of the 455's are grunt monsters. Take a look at the old published data for hp/tq and see if one looks better to you. Caution!!! do not compare 71 and earlier numbers with 72 and newer.
    If you plan on adding aftermarket parts then consider what is available for each model. The Buick 455 with an alum intake weighs about the same as sbc...

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  7. CruiserUser
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    Drive my warmed over poncho 400 all the time with no problems. A 455 would fare no differently, just more stroke and larger crank journal if memory serves.
     
  8. Ebbsspeed
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    I believe as far as aftermarket, the Buick has the widest variety of parts available.
     
  9. SinisterCustom
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    The Buick may be easiest to get parts for and easier to find in general...Pontiac 455's are harder to come by. They do look better. But who cares on a closed hooded car...right???
    All the GM 455's make good torque....but the Buick makes the most from factory, yet is usually the most overlooked. One of the most underrated, yet the Buick GS 455 would put a hurtin' on most other cars from that era....

    It really just boils down to what engine ya find first at a fair price...any 455 is cool.
     
  10. aerorocket
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    I agree.
     
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  11. proscriptus
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    You're right about that, you'll pay for the Pontiac 455 if you can even find one. There is a damn big heap of power to be made from the Pontiac 400, though, and they are cheap.
     
  12. While I'm a "dyed-in-the-wool" Pontiac guy, the 455 Buick actually makes more power [stock form] and weighs less. They're a helluva engine. Our own C-9 [deceased] always ran 455 Buicks in his roadster and loved them.
    If you were looking for an engine for a 56 Pontiac or Olds, I'd have to go with the Poncho and Olds 455s as they're no slouches but you're lucky! You already have the Buick body. Go 455 Buick and keep those rear tires smokin.
     
  13. DeadSledTodd
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    I`m running a 455 Buick in my Plymouth,the power is unreal!!!!
     
  14. boogeracng
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    Even though I'm a life long Olds freak, I would have to suggest to you that Olds be the last choice......little aftermarket support, and what is available is limited, not to mention big $$$$$. The Buick sounds good in a Buick, my next choice a 500 inch Cad, simply for the torque available), and finally a Pontiac, based on a 400 inch foundation. Keep in mind in this day of $4 a gallon gasoline, none of them would be inexpensive to operate.......
     
  15. Doesn't the Buick have the oil filter on the front lower side of the timing cover, making putting it into other cars a potential pain in the backside?


    The Pontiac shares a ton of parts with every other Pontiac motor out there, so how it's not the easiest to find parts for is beyond me, the only real difference is to get 455 CI out of it they stroked it by making the journals smaller. It's based on the small journal version that started as a 421 in 1961 or so. Things like headers and intakes and stuff are real easy to come by.


    Oh, and I drove a couple of 455 cars for a while in the late 90s. 2bbl and 4bbl ones. You're looking at like 13 MPG in a 4400-lb car. An OD trans and a lighter car you can probably bring it closer to 20 with a light foot.
     
  16. oldspert
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    Don't know where you try to buy Olds parts, but there is definitely a great amount of aftermarket parts, you just have to know where to go to buy them, and they cost no more than parts for the Buick or Pontiac. No the big suppliers (Jeg's, Summit, etc.) don't advertise Olds parts or put them in their catalogs, but they sell them. There are many on line Olds racers that sell their own line of parts and they do quite well.
     
  17. boogeracng
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    Uh, Oldspert, can you supply a vendor for .921 lifters for a 400/425?
    How about a cam or a blank for the same? Forged pistons for a 425?
    Granted, he was asking about a 455, but they are becoming less and less available. And as far as vendors, please don't suggest Lynn W. in California..............
    The blown 455 in my Willys was in no way considered a cheap build. Nor was the blown 400 based on a 350 DX block. Custom parts...pistons, aluminum rods, billet cranks, are out of the realm of this member's inquiry, but, even the mundane basic rebuild parts are way expensive ....Federal-Mogul bearings at $150 a set, Fel-Pro gasket sets at nearly the same, good head gaskets (Fel-Pro marine) at $100+ per pair.
    If you have a source that's available and cheap, by all means, please share the knowledge with the few Olds freaks on this board.
     
  18. 64LeSabre455
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    Yes, but you can use an oil filter relocation kit, and that might solve your problem, or make it worse!


    The Buick 455 makes good power on it's own, the 73-74 blocks are supposed to be the best! Pair that with 70-71 heads, you have a potent powerhouse.

    A 455 Stage1 would blow the pants off of anything, but you would have to sell your first born!
     
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  19. Buicks are a lot of fun and a challenge in some ways. I just got another 455 to play with, it's in my 55 Buick. T/A Performance has a bunch of parts available and tech advice too.
     
  20. 71buickfreak
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    You can build a NASTY 455 Buick for about 5-6k, to get the same from an Olds or Pontiac would take 8-10k. TA Performance makes all the goodies, including a large selection of intakes and heads. Of course, I may be a little biased.......

    By the way, don't discount the 350 Buick. I have several Buick-350 powered cars, including a '63 Lesabre wagon with twin-turbos. You might check out this book-
    http://www.amazon.com/Build-Max-Performance-Engines-Design-Performance/dp/1932494596

    Full disclosure- I wrote the book.
     
  21. 64LeSabre455
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    SBC, nah I'd rather have a SBB!!!

    I would love to see some shots of that 63 Wagon:eek:
     
  22. socalmerc
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    i have a 455 bucik 1971 that i am gonna put in my 63 riv, should smoke the tires alittle.
    if you ever run across a pair of elebrock finned velve covers for a good price, grab them they go for gold on ebey
     
  23. 71buickfreak
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    Well, here ya go!
    It is so close to finished, I can taste it. the SBB is backed by a 2004R with a full-manual reverse valvebody trans. It has a QuickFuel blow-thru carb, MSD 6AL-2 ignition, etc, etc. I am hoping to get nasty with it too.
     

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  24. Robin Rish
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    well, maybe you can think about the Buick. much of what you're reading is true. I recently bought a 73 estate wagon. (all big buicks had455s) took out the drivetrain and support pieces, crushed the shell for $250, (only paid $300 for the car) left the engine lower half alone. installed a replacement stage I cam, alum intake with mild Q-jet, and headers from Poston Enterprise, shift kitted the turbo 400 and shortshafted it for my 83 2door Regal. I gets about 14.9 to 15.3 on long trips with the stock 3.08 rear, and with a locked rear end runs scary close to 13's. Go with the Buick and save the money for more fun.
     
  25. rynogeezy
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    buick in da buick!
     
  26. Deuces
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    We used to stuff those junkyard BiG inch B.O.P's in chevy Novas, Pontiac Venturas, Buick Apollos and Olds Omegas back in the late '70's early '80's.... We were all hung up on reading those CARCRAFT articles back then... Man we had fun wit those... :D
     
  27. slammed
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    Right on!
     
  28. Deuces
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    Yeah buddy! Those things made the perfect "'sleepers" back then... :)
     
  29. willowbilly3
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    I have always been an Olds fan, but more the short stroke big blocks. But from everything I have read, the Buick would be the top of the heap.
    Anyone remember ol' Roy Baddy running his mouth about Buicks being some old man's car and running like they were tied to a tree? Remember the magazine article where they called him out in his dual quad Hemi roadrunner and the Buick GS handed him his ass, 3 for 3.
     
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