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Projects '26 Model T build.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by xrw urabus, Mar 10, 2011.

  1. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
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    Crazybillybob
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    from Ohio

    This is not a big, fun to look at update because it's not anything major... Just more little non photogenic tasks.... But work is getting done on her. one small piece at a time.
    We've been kicking around Ideas for a auxiliary Transmission mount for a long time. We put in a temporary mount awhile ago. The more i think about it the more I don't like it. So If I'm going to have to drop the rear end and pull the Aux Trans anyway I should replace the flat bar and u-bolt setup we have now with a proper mount. I measured up the drop to get the mount under the aux trans and added 1" to it for a rubber / poly bump stop. Then drew it up in cad. (this is only 1/2 of the mount the other side is mirrored on the center line)
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    But turning a piece of 1 1/2" x 3/16" into that isn't as easy as it sounds.

    I got this far with a torch and a bit of light gauge rail track.
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    But I can't get the radius quite tight enough.
    In the corner of my folks barn was a rusty chunk of steel .... A proper anvil that hasn't been used much in a long time. When I dug it up out of the dirt floor. The whole thing was pitted (the top and the horn looked like the sides!) and under a bunch of rust (use your imagination because someone didn't think to snap a pic of it before). It also didn't have a proper stand. So after a couple hours with the grinder and an hour with the router. I came up with this.
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    Hopefully now I can get the bends tighter. The goal is to use the 3 pieces 3/16" stock to create a u shape with the curve from the drawing. That means I need to make 6 of those bends pretty much exactly the same. Other than the few bits of heating and beating things into shape I've done on this car I've never tried any "black smithing", so this should be interesting.

    I've also been working on bending up a custom throttle linkage for the Carter carb out of some 3/16" steel round bar. I thought I was done but I need another 3/4" of travel to be at WOT. So I get to start over on that. This time I'm going to go through the block (there's a passage there for the throttle). Then go up and over the headers to the carb. This should clear well enough to get the extra 3/4" needed. I don't have photos of the current linkage because I ran it Through the headers and you can't really see much of it.

    Till next Time,
    CBB
     
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  2. 46stude
    Joined: Mar 3, 2004
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    46stude
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    Now that's an anvil!
     
  3. bobbytnm
    Joined: Dec 16, 2008
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    bobbytnm
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    Any forward progress is worth bragging about!!
    Nice job on the anvil. I can't wait to see how this turns out

    Bobby
     
  4. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
    Posts: 307

    Crazybillybob
    Member
    from Ohio

    This weekend I dodged raindrops tore off my patio roof and got to pound some steel.
    The rain chased me away as I have to run the furnace outside to heat up the steel. Before I had to shutdown I got on side of the bracket 3/4 of the way done and started on the second side of the bracket. Getting the 2 sides to match is taking a bit of work. But I think we're getting there. The proper anvil makes things go so much faster. What took 4 hours before was done in 30 mins this time.
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    I'm sure a "real" blacksmith could knock this whole thing out in an hour but I'm not a "real" blacksmith I'm just a 200+ pound gorilla with a hammer.
    This weekend I have some help coming to put the patio roof back on. Hopefully I will get some more rain free time to finish this up so I can get this bracket welded together.

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  5. Doc Wright
    Joined: Mar 8, 2009
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    Doc Wright
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    CBB, your build is very possibly the greatest inspiration I've seen! Thank you for you presentation of ingenuity and craftsmanship!
     
  6. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
    Posts: 307

    Crazybillybob
    Member
    from Ohio

    Doc,
    Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully it will soon all come together and be on the road! Till then I just do the best I can :)

    CBB
     
  7. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
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    Crazybillybob
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    from Ohio

    Sorry guys not much progress to report it's graduation time of year here so some of my weekend was sucked up for that and vacation prep. I'm also having trouble heating the metal effectively in my furnace. It' likes to melt things but getting them just hot enough in the right spot it's not so good at. To help with this I started trowing together a small forge with mostly things I had on hand (which means she'll be ugly!) To start I bend up some heavy sheet metal. This was accomplished on a cheap HF brake and using a bit of 1x1" angle iron and a BFH. [​IMG]
    The second half was made the same way with slightly thinner Sheet. I tested the fit of the fire bricks before the insulation was added.
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    The shell was welded together. The ceramic foundry insulation was added.
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    I also added a leg and bolted it to an old car brake rotor as a base. This photo showed the insulation and the bricks test fitted in place.
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    (you can see my current furnace (back), and my future furnace (beer keg) in the background)
    Like all good projects this is when I figured out I didn't have a 1"1/4" bi metal hole saw.. and it's Sunday about 7:30PM so all the hardware stores in hillbillyville (where I live) are closed. I'll have to cut out the hole for the burner later when I pick up the saw. I'll call this progress but it's more lateral progress than forward progress right now.

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  8. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
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    Crazybillybob
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    from Ohio

    So a family vacation later I got the forge together and working.
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    I was able to control the heating to different areas much easier with this. After an hour and a half I have 2 parts that match one another about 90% I'll tweak them a little more before welding and shaping the top strip.

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  9. bobbytnm
    Joined: Dec 16, 2008
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    Cool stuff! Thanks for the update

    Bobby
     
  10. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
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    Crazybillybob
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    from Ohio

    So Rain kept the forge in the Garage last night and it looks like it's going too rain for the next day or two. So I switched gears back to the Throttle linkage. I had made one that went under the carb. It worked but couldn't get to Full Open throttle. So last night I made one up that came up along the block between the headers and came at the carb from the front. it takes a bit of work to fish it in and out of there but I can get Full Throttle now :).

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    In the top of this picture is the "Stock" Model T throttle linkage (it's a repop).
    The Middle is my first attempt that failed to push the throttle fully open.
    The bottom is the latest version that works great.
    The original ends just slipped into the carb and the lever. I'm planing on cross drilling the rod for cotter pins and washers as the carb is now oriented differently and the rod pops out after several strokes.

    Let me know if you see something wrong with this.

    Thanks
    CBB
     
  11. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
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    Crazybillybob
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    from Ohio

    Well that hope went right out the window now didn't it! Yep folks we're tearing back into the WarFord Aux trans again. The old case has been leaking ever since we put it back together. So now we're taking the gears out and putting them in a new non cracked case. Details too follow.

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  12. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
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    Crazybillybob
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    from Ohio

    So the other week I pushed the old car out into the sun and gave her a bath to clean off the shop dust that was on her.

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    Then as teased above she was shoved back into the shop. Where the rear end and Aux trans were pulled out again.
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    The Aux trans was then torn apart once more.
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    This was done so that the gears could be placed into a new "less Leaky" case.
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    This should have taken a Day or so..... But Like everything on this car a few things popped up in the way.
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    Oh and the 4th of July (a holiday here in the states that gives us an excuse to blow stuff up in public).
    But eventually new Gaskets were made.
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    And the Aux Trans was reassembled again. This time just leaking out of the input and output shafts but that's normal (no seals there).
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    Next I have to get the new older longer Rear spring perches installed so the Rocky Mountain brakes fit. Then we'll get her back together.

    Till Next Time!
    CBB
     
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  13. Bigcheese327
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    Wow, good lines on it!
     
  14. Crazybillybob
    Joined: Nov 8, 2010
    Posts: 307

    Crazybillybob
    Member
    from Ohio

    We're still working on the old Girl.... it's been a lot of shoot, ready,aim on my part.
    So Pulling the rear out of the car was to help us get the Rocky mountain Brakes installed. On the Model T the last 2 years the overall height of the car was lowered 2". Most of this was in the flater spring perch mounts. Well we went and lowered it another 6-7" in the rear with reversed spring eyes, flipped rear axle, and custom drop shackles. This meant that we didn't have the proper clearances for the the RM brakes. We talked to Clayton who has done this same thing. Between us we figured out that the 1908-1925 Shackle perches are about 3/4" taller and stick out about 3/4" further from the backing plates. This space will give use the clearances we need to mount the brakes.

    This what our original let's call the v1 drop shackle support bracket.
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    With the new "older" spring perches mounted it was 3/4" too short. So a new v2 drop shackle support bracket was created. In trying to minimize the effect of lifting the rear had on the rake we had we installed the spring perches upside down (this will come back to bite me in a minute... The astute among you will pick up right away on the thing that's missing in this photo. Hint it's BLUE ).
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    I got all the holes drilled and this one mounted only to realize the brakes still wouldn't clear.
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    To get the brakes to fit the bracket had to be sitting on top of the radius rods.
    This first bracket took me about 3 hours to bend up. lots of fussing and test fitting...and I get to do it again.
    Another cardboard template was made and v3 of the Drop Shackle support bracket was laid out.
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    by this point I was leaving notes on the steel as to where to bend and how (part of the time of the first one was fixing the tab being bent the wrong way first).
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    This one took about 50mins to get knocked out.
    Drilled and hung. A spacer was also found to be needed to help keep the spring the proper distance from the axle tube.
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    It's important that both sides match as this sets how flat the car sits side to side in the rear. So I knocked out another bracket .
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    This one took about 10 minutes to pound out... took longer to get the torches out than it did to forge it.

    I'm waiting on a few more bits to arrive in the post to wrap this up, and I think I'm going to make up another spacer to keep the spring from going too forward as well.
    What's the moral of the story? make sure you put all the parts that are going to be in the way on and get them clearanced before you start building brackets!

    Stop by again for more.
    CBB
     
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