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Hot Rods 23 T body repairs

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Mindover, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Mindover
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    I had this little T body brought to me to repair a while ago. It was in lots of pieces. From the photos you can probably tell it was not a prime example. There was a lot of rot and damage.

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    The panel above does not look too bad but a lot of the rot was on the inside.

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    Unless I replaced the whole thing I was never going to end up with a perfect blemish free body. Obviously the customer (who is also a friend) wanted to keep what he had as much as possible.

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    Some parts were beyond repair like the rear panel above.

    David
     
  2. fleet-master
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    subscribed David !! :D:D:D
     
  3. Mindover
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    Cheers Paul, I can't get any work done on my '27 roadster at the moment because I have too much customer work to do. (can't turn it away can you) So I thought I would post the photos of the work I did on this little body. It actually does not look as bad in the photos as it was. I managed to save it though. I also took patterns and bucks so I can now make one if I want to.

    David
     
  4. Mindover
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    Here is the other side, the sill area was pretty shot in fact the entire body around the bottom was holes held together with rust so I had no choice but to make and weld in replacement sections.


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    David
     

  5. I've just subscribed to this thread. i'm enjoying the clear close-up pics of each panel before you start , , , picture tell's a thousand stories , especially as I'm hoping to scratch-build a 23 T body one day , , soon . ;)

    Shrapnel :cool:
     
  6. s55mercury66
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    Can't wait to follow this, subscribed.
     
  7. Watching... I have a stack of '24T panels that are waiting for me to gain some sort of ability to fix them. Hope they're patient.
     
  8. GizmoJoe
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    That does it, David. I need to hunt for your posts each day so I don't miss anything! :)
    I can't wait to see where this goes.
    By the way.. that would be a GREAT panel to find here.
    "holes held together with rust" Yup. That's what we have here.
    Subscribed.
     
  9. flatheadal
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    Hey Dave, a while ago! that was about six years ago - hope you've got many more 'in progress' pictures of my 'lil roadster. I'll have to sort out a finished and painted photo for you to post at the end of the story, cheers Al
     
  10. That's the body I found you when I had not a bean to my name? Yes, Al?
     
  11. flatheadal
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    Yep, thats the one Phil, not even Mr Tuckett realised he had it!
     
  12. Mindover
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    Time flies when you're having fun Al, just another day bashing metal, they all blurr into each other, actually I knew it was quite a while ago, it was done in my old workshop. It would be great if you have some photos to add! I never got any of it finished.

    At least it prompted you to post for the forth time in two years!

    David
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2012
  13. I'm watching eagerly. I always enjoy seeing your work David.
     
  14. need louvers ?
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    I'll be watching too. I have almost the same collection of panels in the same shape.
     
  15. fleet-master
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    been there,done that...:D:D:D
     
  16. need louvers ?
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    One thing that is confusing me though is that your body's left side appears to be one piece. Mine is split into a seperate cowl and side at the faux front door jamb.
     
  17. yeah yeah yeah , seen your work up close at Kumeu a few years back and was impressed.:)
    I'll be doing things a bit different on mine , like , , , and , , , not to mention , , , !!! hehehe.;););)

    Now to get this thread back on track , the pic's are great. The more I can learn about the original steel (without having a body to copy here) the better.

    Shrapnel :cool:
     
  18. Mindover
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    I did take quite a few photos of this for the same reason. I can put up what I have.

    David
     
  19. Mindover
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    This was definately in on piece. If I make a copy I will make it with a joint (butt welded) where you say because this is a big panel to work. I would also put a joint in where the B post would be. It would appear to be one panel when finished.

    Its not my car though it belongs to Al (flatheadal) on here.

    David
     
  20. Mindover
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    I was of course working to a budget on this. I made no attempt to metal finsh the job. I made some nice accurate repair sections, dressed out the worst of the dents made a new cowl top and rear panel and called it done. The steel on this was like spring steel. I gas welded it all so the welds are petty flat. Al ran it in bare metal for a while I believe.

    (Al if you read this do you have any photos of it like that?)

    David
     
  21. Mindover
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    Thanks Jimmy B. Its good to know a respected guy like you enjoys seeing my stuff.

    David
     
  22. Mindover
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    Well like I said the body was repaired on a tight budget. I made a new rear panel, dressed out the worst of the lumps and bumps from the original panels and welded any splits...

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    There was not enough time on the clock to make a perfect job of this and even if I had a larger budget for the job it would have been hard to make these panels perfect. I don't know if it was because the body had spent some time being shot pained in the desert but the original panels were hard as anything I have come up against. As you can see I tried to save as much as possible of the original panels but to do a good job it is necessary to cut away the rot.

    David
     
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  23. Mindover
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    You're not stalking me are you Joe! lol. Yep I don't know how the guys in my car club keep finding this stuff. Its good to know you are interested. I did this a while ago but I think it may be of interest still, I have not posted it before.

    David
     
  24. Neat stuff David.

    I'll be making all the panels for my 23T from scratch. I've got a fiberglass body (the mould of which was taken from an original steel 23) to use for my shape patterns, but I want the panels to assemble into the body as reasonably close to what an original would.

    So threads with pics like these give me a great deal of info.

    Cheers David.

    Shrapnel :cool:
     
  25. Mindover
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    I hope it helps, I have other photos and I will post them when I get the chance. Using a good 'glass body is a good way to go. I did that when I built the body for this car...

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    ...many years ago. I did not have photos of original bits so I had to do the best I could and the 'glass body was not great either.

    David
     
  26. Mindover
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    Here is a photo of the same car when it was finished. The body was copied from a 'glass body made by a company called Jago that made crap hot rod bodies for a while back in the seveties here in the UK. It was all we had to go by at the time. It was longer and wider than an original 'T'.

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    David
     
  27. Mindover
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    Anyway back to the original '23 T. The other side of the body was worse so needed a lot more repair sections made. I replaces the bottom ten inches or so 'round the bottom...

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    I dressed the repairs and filed them. It all came out pretty good. The beads all lined up to perfection. I did all the beading on my Pullmax. I made a set of beading tools so now I can reproduce the beads any time I want to. I may make some of these bodies at some point.

    David
     
  28. Cool stuff David.

    I like your scratch built T. I started one with very similar lines (using a modified 1937 Austin 10 grill) about 30 years ago. I didnt finish it, sold it on, and from there I believe it got parted out . My next bucket is loosly based around a car I saw in a magazine (I still have the magazine for this very reason) I picked up in 1983 .

    Cheers for sharing

    Shrapnel :cool:
     
  29. fleet-master
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    coooome on thennn...get some pics up!!?:p:D
     
  30. fleet-master
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    your body looks quite different to the ones I've seen here Dave, where your rear panel joins the quarters mine has a swage.
    I'm interested to know what width your turtleback will be.
     

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