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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by bogart62, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. bogart62
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    Would this engine be too light to go in a '32 Roadster build? They're kinda different and I like different.
    Don't know about the weight factor or lack of it that would be problematic. Thanks!
     
  2. aaggie
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    Low weight is always a plus but the lack of aftermarket goodies and high cost of parts will get your attention.

    If different is important consider something like a Turbo 4-banger from a SVT Thunderbird or maybe an Ecotech from a Saab with a T-5.

    I think the Olds/Buick engine evolved into the 3500 Rover and there are lots of them available but pricey.
     
  3. treb11
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    If you can find one of the 4 barrel versions thats a better starting point. A Triumph TR8 would be a good source too. 215's still have parts available. I think Str**t Ro**er did an article on then years ago. No more expensive than a flathead to build.

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  4. bogart62
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    Good info, thanks. So lightweight in a '32 Roadster front end would work? I see all sorts of heavy iron in them. Big blocks, nailheads, hemi's, and of course flatheads. I know where there's a 215 Olds rebuilt that a guy lost interest in a project. Just tryin to put all these pieces together before I pull the trigger. Thanks again for the input.
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  5. bgbdlinc
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    I bought one to put in my '29 Model A roadster. Compared to the 8BA Flattie that's in there now, it is about half the weight and double the horsepower completely stock. My 215 is .020 over and has an Isky mild track cam, Isky adjustable push rods, etc. Offenhauser has a manfold for 2x2's.
    These guys know it all (D&D, Almont, Mi.):
    http://www.aluminumv8.com/index.htm
     
  6. It also came in Pontiacs.....
    Use the 4bbl intake and a 3x2 adapter....
    The Olds engine has more head bolts...the outside difference is the valve covers also have more bolts.
     
  7. OFT
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    Friend of mine runs a stroker 215 Olds in his sandrail. 300 crank, small journal Chevy rods, and Vega pistons for 277". That motor Flies and sounds awesome!

    D&D listed above has all the details on stroker motors.
     
  8. Beau
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    I have a couple Olds engines an a Buick. aluminumv8.com is your place to go, and he is right in your hood.

    You pretty much need an adapter to run any sort or worthwhile transmission, manual or auto. 90% of the parts are available from Auto Zone special order. They are a nice on small engine. I know some guys have fit them in Model A's without recessing the firewall.

    If I were you I'd go a different route.

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  9. bogart62
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    Thanks guys. Just looked at D & D's website. They are about 30 miles from me. that's a plus. It all sounds pretty cool to consider the 215. Again, thanks!

    Kent
     
  10. 1954 rocket 98
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    this place has everything you would need if you want to use one of those in a car. http://www.aluminumv8.com/tech/tech.htm
    i have a olds version 215 myself i would like to find something to put it in sometime, need to finish some other projects first.
     
  11. bogart62
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    Beau: a different route cause of the firewall?
     
  12. Hnstray
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    The 215 Olds/Buick is lighter, more than smaller outside size. The lighter weight is a good thing for power to weight ratio, a performance factor....but, less so for sprung/unsprung weight ratio which affects ride characteristics
     
  13. bgbdlinc
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    The engines and their offspring (Rover) are really popular in England for transplants into MG's, etc. There are a few interchangeable parts with the Buick 300 engines (i.e. a shorter water pump snout and heads) which could make it a screamer....
     
  14. Flatheadguy
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    The 215 is a unique engine in many way. Light weight, looks pretty cool and it develops sufficient power for a traditional rod. A good friend powered his Sunbeam Alpine with one and it performed perfectly. Go ahead and use it.
     
  15. Torkwrench
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    Were these engines used in mid-60's Jeeps? That is the Jeep Tuxedo Park?
     
  16. d2_willys
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    The oddity of this engine is the bell pattern. Other than the Rover/MG usage, GM had two automatics that worked behind this engine. Dual path dynaflow which is a 2 speed, and Olds Roto 5, which is a 3 speed.
     
  17. mechanic58
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    I always wanted to get my hands on a usable 215. I've only ever seen a handful of them and they were all fossilized in a junkyard somewhere. (I'm not counting the Rover examples)
    I think it would make a fantastic conversation piece in your rod.
     
  18. nrgwizard
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    Hey, Kent;

    The 215 was used in Olds, Buick, Pontiac. IIRC, Buick mill was used by Pontiac. The Olds had better heads, & more likely to have a 4bbl. I'd guess some aftermarket manifolds were made. Mickey Thompson ran one of these in an Indy car effort, so speed equpt was made. As mentioned, Rover used these, & I'd guess that better stuff is available now, although probably via Europe. Also, IIRC, the Powerglide (2 sp) was a switch-pitch (torque convertor) version. [Edit: Maybe I don't remember so well... :D . But you'll still be happy w/the mill - & I think it's worth the effort!]. They're strong enough to supercharge or turbocharge if you'd like.

    As far as weight goes, just change the front springing rates to match the weight up front. No different than dropping in a Hemi, or a small Ecotec.

    If you can get the mill for a decent price, go for it. They're lively, can get good fuel economy, & you don't see many of them. I always wanted one for a lightweight rod, but have too many projects now, & the cheap (read: reasonable/low-buck) source(s) that I knew, for them dried up. But you will be happy w/it. :D .

    Marcus...
     
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    I am goig to build a tbucket with one. by the way my city is clayton not claytpon

    sadsack
     
  21. Rusty O'Toole
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    Lots of them were used in hot rods in England where they are about the most common V8. In stock form they put out 160HP which is adequate if not exciting. I think the latest Rover version is about 300???

    It would work and make a nice driving, economical car.
     
  22. luke13
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    alot of stock car guys use em down here,from memory a falcon 6 bellhousing and fmx gearbox will bolt up.
     
  23. Hnstray
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    Nope...that was the 225 cubic inch Buick V6 ....At the same time the aluminum 215 V8 was introduced, Buick built an iron 198 V6 that shared several basic design features with the 215 V8, including the orphan bell housing bolt pattern.

    For 1964 the 215 Aluminum V8 morphed into the iron block/aluminum heads and manifold 300 cube Buick V8. It also got the common BOP block pattern. For 1965 the aluminum heads and manifold were cast in iron.
    The '64 Buick V6 grew to 225 cubic inches and also got the BOP bolt pattern. That is what went into Jeeps a bit later.

    The story goes on with some twists and turns and eventually the aluminum V8 ended up with Rover in England.
     
  24. bogart62
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    Great info. I talked to Mark at D & D. Gonna visit the shop next week. I told him I've been looking at some 215's already. He said he has over 300 cores available. He knew his stuff too. Thanks guys
     
  25. Pickled_asparagus
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    These motors were far ahead of their time. The Olds has a more conventional head design with an extra bolt as the Olds Jetfire 215's were turbocharged in 62-63:
    This version made 215hp (1 per cubic inch). When your fully assembled motor only weighs 300 pounds that's not to shabby!

    Buicks will have heads that look similar to Nailheads. From what I understand, Landrover bought the tooling from GM and has been putting these in their vehicles ever since (in some variant).



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    Good luck!
     
  26. Beau
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    Nope. Only the 215 or Rover stuff will bolt up without adapters.
     
  27. OFT
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  28. I just traded one (1963 olds 4 barrell 215) for a 1945 logan 10" metal lathe :) yippee for me and yippee for the guy that is stuffing it in an old MGB
     
  29. bobadame
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    I used to have a couple of these back in the late '60s. A '62 f-85 convertible with a 3 speed manual trans, and then a'63 Jetfire with a 4 speed. 185 horse power with the 4 barrel and 215 hp in the Jetfire with the turbo. They were beautiful little cars.
     
  30. Beau
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    Ford stuff on a B.O.P.? In all my research, I have never read anything about Au stuff fitting.

    There is also a LOT of info on www.britishv8.com. Really good write ups.

    I have these fancy things.

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