Mig Welding that look like tig

This man speaks the truth. All of you keyboard master certified super hero welders need to just plain fuck off.

Judging a man's work, and bashing his name on a public forum amongst his customers and peers is weak. I don't care how many hundreds of thousands of hours you have welding.

 

I agree with Chuckles and Gimpys statement it's sad that this thread along with soo many others just become a big dick swinging contest. People need to lighten up build some cars and have fun.
Dave Hitch
FBBF

 

I agree. I think that if anyone regards those welds as being suspect, then easily 90% of the cars out there would need to be taken off the road.

 

Finally someone said it. This bashing of something that a lot of folks do to enjoy this hobby & as a business also is just rediculous & shows a lot of poor behavor on the part of people that should know better. If you can add something that helps folks welding thats fine but to judge the work of others by bragging of your experince & education thru pictures on the internet is just talking to yourself.

 

To get away from the dick swinging contest......

If you are new to welding and by new I mean a person who does not do it for a living and have at least a couple of years of 40 hours per week experience then;

You should be concentrating on making a good, smooth fine looking MIG bead.

You take a look at SkottyChops weld and say I want to do that. Skotty did not wake up one morning, buy a MIG and start doing that. In my opinion Skotty has real skill. To make a weld with a mig gun that looks like that tells me he has paid his dues.

So if you are fairly new to welding learn the basics first. Once you get that down then start fooling with the fun stuff on some scrap until you get what you want.

Just like pinstriping, you don't start out at Alan Johnson's level, you start with a straight line, lots of them, graduate to curves, lots of them. Play with a few designs and in about 20 years you can pull a line like AJ.

My only concern with this thread is the influence that new welders will feel to try to weld like Skotty and the others, including myself, who know what to do, why they did it, and paid for it with years of welding experience.

Learn to make proper weld first. Do you really want your hot rod to have rat rod welds?

 

First his welds look like crap now you back pedal and say he has real skill?

This kind of bashing people is why people quit posting build pics or asking questions especially the new young guys. They are afraid of the bashing or dont think the ridicule is worth it. I have heard it over and over. This truly IS is sad
Be a mentor not a hater
Dave Hitch FBBF

 

agreed

my metal work blog www.themetalsurgeon.com

 

We need to stay away from this who has the best sample, credentials ,experience ect. .These things always end up as a pissin contest of who can yell the loudest. Are some folks on here better than others? Absolutely. Everyone likes to hear ideas and the tips from ALL SOURCES. When it gets to the "I am better than you "posts no-one wants to read .
We like reading all Constructive posts from all sources. Just please keep the egos in your pockets.
For the record I am a crappy welder ,but it doesn't stop me from trying.Lighten up fellas ,life is tooooo short.

 

I stand by both my original statement and my last statemement.

The original weld from the standpoint of an inspector is not good. Perhaps looks like crap did not explain this very well.

From an aesthtic standpoint it is very pretty and took real skill to make.

Keep in mind that many of the folks here on the hamb are trying to learn how to weld and when they see that type of welding advertised as the best damn thing since sliced bread, they will go out and make shitty welds.

Then one of us will be driving behind them and their crap welds and some random part fall off their vehicle and take us out.

Watched a guy build a snowmobile trailer once that this happened to. Weld broke on the tounge and his sleds and trailer went for a nice spin on their own.

Can it be done by a skilled person, yes. Should it be advertised as the way to do it properly, no.

Enough said,

Goose-em

 

This is a rad thread.

 

Lots of good info but I have a question let me also state I am a new welder who claims no knowledge or ego just asking for my knowledge. I was told this by people who are confident welders and just asking about what I have been told.

With stick I was told you do small circles kind of like Skoty's technique in the video but a little more circular.

With mig I was told you make c's that connect almost like a wave of c's.

Is this correct or is this just another view that is debated like crazy?

 

Right on Mr. Chops!!!!

 

Don't ask me, I am just a dumbass.

 

i can out weld all you bitches!!
my welds are in the background but i promise they are the best ever in the entire world, ever.

 

A good friend of mine helped develop FSW welding with NASA. They use it to weld special aluminum alloys. Pretty amazing stuff.

 

tell the truth, those sparks are coming out of her butt

 

Heres my two cents, for those who have no formal training definatly learn to do correct continuous pass welding first and then try pretty and fancy.in either case the hammer and bend test will tell if your welding skills are good enough for the safety of the rest of us.another excelent test is to cut your welds in half and compare to weld inspection pictures and explinations in the welding books that you had better posses and study.take your samples to a certified welder to look at I doubt they will be shy . the key here is study ,listen and practice and have the balls to have a real welder inspect your work.not only are you liable for what you melt together you are responsible to the rest of us and our freedom to build and modify rods.RED

 

I was being sarcastic, crazy how i got completly thrown under the bus on this thread and i didnt even start anything, say anything or tell anybody that this is the absolute best way to weld. Im not writing this for this to continue or say anyone is right or wrong. Do i agree that welds like this can fail? Yes, absolutely. But what you guys are missing from my welds is the prep, the heat, the puddle etc. I trust my welds 100% and have driven thousands of miles on them, id be more concerned about the weaker parts of the suspensions like ball joints for one. Never thought i would have gotton attacked for something i take alot of pride in. I have very high standards and quality is a huge deal to me. Again im not saying anybody is wrong for there opinions or facts, but its hard to judge me with out really knowing. I love the hamb and i do everything i can to help people out or guide them in the right direction and produce the best quality work i can to inspire the younger and older guys to build cars to the best of there abilities. Slaying me and my name over something your only speculating isnt that rad, i would never say anything bad or run anybody's name threw the mudd. Yes i am that nice guy that will still smile threw this thread but with a bit of dissappoinment. We are supposed to encourage quality work and inspire people, not scare people from it. This thread should have been based on general welds that look like tig, not a big fu to me. I respect everyones opinions and the facts that are posted here and there is definetly good facts, just bummed that my name was used for the slaying. Can we keep it clean? Thank you guys and hope to see some positivity arise from all this. Godbless.

 

Welds like this is better than Porn......Heck it is porn to me!!!!!

I so wish I could do this....Man thats cool stuff.....

 

Mom! Dad! Stop yelling at each other!! Can't you see you're tearing me apart??

 

SKOTY CHOPS,LIKE ERIC BURDON said a long time ago"PLEASE DONT LET ME BE MISSUNDERSTOOD''.Seriously Iam on your side and if I overstepped my boundS I stand corrected.By the same token when you hear COLE FOSTER say the motorcycle industry has turned into a bunch of bolt on crap he speaks the truth. the reason it got that way is in alot of states ,Ohio being one of them , When some idiot installs a manufacturers bolt on or weld on product and someone gets hurt not only does the idiot that cannot read,spin awrench right or weld correctly get sued so does the manufacturer and the distributor of said product.This really got out of hand 10 or 12 years ago when clown county choppers and a few others hit the cable channels.Almost overnight guys that daddys money bought them a shop they were ''Building retro choppers and theme bikes dude''.Needless to say the shops that had their shit together making right what these idiots built made some money,myself included,It changed the whole scene .its now all driven by credit card carrying yuppies that think a bunch abunch of gay covers is cool and it makes them a biker. I make more money fabricating brackets.My point is this could all happen to the hot rod industry if everyone is not willing to learn the proper way to weld. it can turn what we all love to do as a profesion and a hobby into a litigated,legislated and regulated mess bigger than it already is.YOURS RESPECTFULLY,RED

 

I see where the certified guys are coming from, But a lot of the stuff that you would do in an automotive welding scenario is usually lighter gauge material like .120 wall and such where if you know what your doing it's not hard to get full penetration. I also agree that it's function over form. I have seen the prettiest row of coin tig welds fail miserably and I have also seen as many would call "ugly" mig welds hold up strong and never fail.

 

dont do the triggered deal. most MIGs dont have a very long post flow if any at all. My technique is some slight looping at the end of the gun and a 3 steps forward one step back movement along the weldment if that makes any sense.

 

I have been mig welding on oil and natural gas pipelines for nearly ten years. Most all of our welds in the fab shop look very much like those done by skoty chops (sorry no pics). We are tested several times a year with destructive testing and 100% of our welds are xray tested. I have also seen many certified weld inspectors over the years who do not know jack shit about what they are looking at. If welds like this are good enough for high pressure gas pipelines I am pretty sure they will hold up a freaking hot rod. my .02 anyway

 

OK, I have question for some of the certified welders & old pros: I was also a professional welder for many years, but never got all those certs. Used to weld lots of pipe handrails, & over the years got good at making super smooth welds to reduce grinding time, by the following method: hot, downhill & fast. So now the question: Is it ever OK to weld downhill on a chassis, considering that wall thickness is usually pretty thin on frame rails?

 

Dont want to keep beating that horse to death but me being a welder/fab junkie myself I'm always looking for ways to learn and improve and I do take A LOT of pride in my work.

I just wanna say that you guys have to really lay off the big name guys. Ya just pick them apart for what they are worth. Weather your trying to have a dick swingin contest or whatever you call it or your just jelouse of their fame or whatever it is.... QUIT YOUR BITCHIN! If I showed you guys what goes on at the shop I work at and if you knew the customers and money paid for the shit work put out by some of the guys you would cry. I'm no professional but man there is some nasty shit out there. Just dont go bashing people and throwing certifications at their face. It does you no good, the comunity no good, and especially the guy your bashing. In this case it being Skotty. Nevermind who it is though, this person has obviously busted their ass for years to msake a good name for themselves. Make quality products, and heres some idiot with a big swingin dick and a cert that is ruining his rep whilew this guy is notr putting out shitty work by any means. It doesn't matter who you are on this forum or in real life, quit being a dick and help people out instead.

How far do ya think We're gonna get in the world with all this begativity and hostility going on? Fuck it! Nuke EM CUZ THEY SUCK!

 

This thread is an absurdity.
If you dont know what that is its here in this wiki.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdity


As I read it I can't help but picture this guy.




This is a stick weld with a 5p or 6010 type rod.

This is good enough for high pressure pipe in most situations.
It is actually a series of weld puddles. Those puddles are comprised of the parent metal and the rod. The arc force digs the parent metal and mixes with the filler rod. Once your puddle is of sufficient size, the rod is removed from the puddle momentarily allowing that puddle to freeze and then the rod is brought back in. Repeat. The speed of travel determines the size and the welder determines the tightness of the puddles. This can be done in any position.

That very same technical method can be used with MIG, flux core, a few other rods, and finally of course tig

 

Thanks for the video, Always useful to learn new techniques.

 

Best post of this entire thread

 

Its more than i can do....