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327 or 350?? confused ..

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by JAKE'S-Pumpkinella54, May 16, 2011.

  1. ok so I pulled a motor from a hot rod i bought a few years ago . Put it in the shop and forgot about it ..
    The seller told me it was a 327 ... then a guy who knew him told me it was a 350 ... The casting is 3970010 .. and it has 2 freeze plugs ... can you help with this one ??? thanks in advance .
     
  2. does the fact it has 2 plugs mean anything .. like 2 bolt or 4 bolt ??? wishfull thinking
     
  3. Dynaflash_8
    Joined: Sep 24, 2008
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    from Auburn WA

    pull the heads and measure the stroke. I have a 327 that was built using a 4 bolt 350 block
     

  4. gwarren007
    Joined: Apr 3, 2010
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    crankshaft # ?
     
  5. davidbistolas
    Joined: May 21, 2010
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    Measure the stroke. Sorry, no easy way.
     
  6. 350 Block (high nickle content)
     
  7. davidbistolas
    Joined: May 21, 2010
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    you can build a 327 using a 350 block... and the 0010s were 69 and up so (iirc) they're all already large journal cranks. Casting numbers COULD reveal what that motor possibly is, but not 100%.

    My block could have either been a 350 or a DZ302 (woah!). It was a 350. Still a good motor, just not all that rare.
     
  8. d.reese
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    For most engines like the 350, the same block was used for 2 and 4 bolt main. So the casting # info will say "2 or 4 bolt". The most common 350 was the 3970010 block. It was used from 1969 through 1980. Made in 2, or 4 bolt, used in cars, trucks, vans, 1bbl, 2bbl and 4bbl carbs

    Now it can tell if 2 or 4 bolt on some of the rare high performance engines, or over the counter engines.

    Here's the list of all the small block casting #'s

    CASTING#.....SIZE...YEAR...MAIN CAP BOLTS....NOTES

    140029.....350...80-84...2
    330817.....400...72-80...2
    355909.....262.....75....2
    360851.....262...75-76...2...Monza V-8
    361979.....305...78-79...2
    366245.....350...78-79...2
    366287...................4...Bowtie, Aluminum, siamesed,
    straight nodular iron main
    caps, 2-piece seal, 4.00-4.150"
    bores, 2.45" main journals
    366299...................4...Bowtie, Aluminum, nodular
    iron splayed caps, wet sump,
    4.00" bore
    389257.....302.....67....2
    393288.....283...65-67...2
    460703.....350.....78....4
    460776.....305...78-79...2
    460777.....305...78-79...2
    460778.....305...78-79...2
    471511.....267...79-82...2
    3556519....283...58-61...2
    3703524....265.....55....2...No oil filter
    3720991....265...56-57...2
    3731548....265...57......2...No side motor mounts
    3731548....283...57......2...No side motor mounts
    3737739....283...58-64...2
    3756519....283...58-62...2
    3782870....327...62-67...2
    3789817....283...62-64...2
    3789817....327...62-67...2
    3789935....283...61-64...2
    3790721....283...62-64...2...Chevy II recessed oil filter boss
    3790721....327...65-66...2...Chevy II recessed oil filter boss
    3791362....327...62-67...2...Chevy II recessed oil filter boss
    3792563....327.....65....2
    3792582....283...64-65...2
    3794226....283...58-63...2
    3794460....327...62-64...2
    3814660....327...68-69...2
    3830944....327.....63....2
    3834810....283...64-66...2
    3834812....283...62-63...2
    3837739....283...58-62...2
    3849852....283...64-68...2
    3849935....283...65-67...2
    3852174....327...62-64...2
    3858174....327...64-66...2
    3858180....327...64-67...2
    3858618....350...68-76...2
    3862194....283...65-67...2...Chevy II recessed oil filter boss
    3862812....283...62-64...2
    3892657....302.....67....2...Z-28 Camaro
    3892657....327.....67....2
    3892657....350.....67....2...Camaro
    3896944....283.....67....2
    3896948....283...66-67...2
    3903352....327.....67....2
    3914636....307.....68....2
    3914653....307...68-73...2
    3914660....327.....68....2
    3914678....302.....68....2...Z-28 Camaro
    3914678....327.....68....2
    3914678....350.....68....2
    3932371....307...69-73...2
    3932373....307...68-73...2
    3932386....302.....69....4...Z-28 Camaro
    3932386....327.....69....2
    3932386....350.....69....4
    3932388....350.....69....2 or 4
    3951509....400...70-71...4
    3951509....400...74-80...2
    3951511....400...70-71...4...Some replacement blocks had 2-bolt main caps
    3956618....302.....69....4...Z-28 Camaro
    3956618....327...68-69...2
    3956618....350.....69....2 or 4
    3956632....307.....69....2
    3959512....327...62-63...2
    3970010....302.....69....4...Z-28 Camaro
    3970010....350...69-80...2 or 4
    3970014....350...70-74...2 or 4
    3970020....307...70-73...2
    3970024....307...69-71...2
    4715111....305.....80....2
    6259425....350...69-76...2
    10036033...350...........4...Goodwrenc… crate motor, 2-piece rear
    seal, "Hecho en Mexico"
    10051182.................2...Bowtie, non-siamesed, 3.75" bore
    10051184.................4...Bowtie, non-siamesed, 4.00"-4.160" bores
    10054727...350...86-up...2 or 4...one piece rear seal, some "Made in Canada"
    10066036...350...........4...Goodwrenc… crate motor, 2-piece rear
    seal, "Hecho en Mexico"
    10066038...350.....94....4...Goodwrenc… crate motor, 2-piece rear
    seal, "Hecho en Mexico"
    10090511...350.....90....2...LT-5, ZR1 Vette, 375hp
    10125327...350...92-up...4...Gen.II LT-1, reverse flow cooling
    10125327...350...96-up...4...Gen.II LT-4, reverse flow cooling
    10134996.................4...Bowtie, Aluminum, 4.125" bore
    2.65" main journals
    10153558...350...91-92...4...LT-5, ZR1 Vette, 375hp
    10199001...350...93-95...4...LT-5, ZR1 Vette, 405hp
    10243878...305...96-97...2...Vortec truck, roller cam, one-piece rear seal
    10243880...350...95-99...4...Gen.I crate motor, "ZZ4", roller cam, one piece rear seal
    12550592...350...97-up...crossbolted block, Gen.III, "LS1"
    12559846...350...98-up...crossbolted block, Gen.III, "LS1"
    12560621...350...98-up...crossbolted block, Gen.III, "LS1"
    12562174...350...98-up...crossbolted block, Gen.III, "LS1"
    14010201...305...80-84...2
    14010202...305...80-84...2
    14010203...305...80-84...2
    14010207...350...80-85...2 or 4
    14010209...350...80-85...4
    14010280...

    Please press 5 if this was of any help! Your welcome:)
     
  9. Tony
    Joined: Dec 3, 2002
    Posts: 7,350

    Tony
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    Grab the suffix code stamped on the pass front deck surface and it will tell you exactly what it is. Probably be a 3 letter code.
    '69 327 large journal, and 350's of that vintage could have shared the same 010 casted block. They had the same bore, but the stroke was different.

    Tony
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2011
  10. carcrazyjohn
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    from trevose pa

    Even if it is a 350 ,Thats good ,Block number is 350
     
  11. 1971BB427
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    from Oregon

    Could also be just a two letter suffix code.
     
  12. lvlynyrd
    Joined: Jul 25, 2010
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    from Las Vegas

    Didn't the 327's all have the small balancer? I know the 350's all have the large one. Even if it was a 350 block, a small balancer would indicate they are utilizing something other than 350 moving parts. I used an LT1 4 bolt block when I was class racing a 305 inch motor. (.030 over with 283 crank).
     
  13. Dennis D
    Joined: May 2, 2009
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    Hi horse 327's had the eight inch balancer. Fins cast into the back of 'em. Dennis D
     
  14. Badhabit
    Joined: Nov 5, 2009
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    Like everyone has mentioned, the block is a very common 4" bore block, large journal. Beyond that and assuming the motor is still assembled, you can tell a 350 from a 327 by looking at the crankshaft flange. Both have a fat side and a narrow side, but the fat side on a 350 (3.48 stroke) has two flat edges about an inch long across from each other. The 327 is a full half moon on the large side with no straight edges.
     

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