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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by EnglishBob, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. EnglishBob
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    So,a fellow rodder here in cowtown(Calgary) who happens to teach welding at S.A.I.T. came up with an idea to bring a metal shaping course to Calgary and possibly be unique in Canada.
    He and his partner in crime spent some time with Lazze learning skills and the took a year to get ready for us.
    Tonight was the second night and we got to use the English wheel,bead roller and shrinker/stretcher.
    Here is the fruit of 3 hours hard labour.
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  2. dragster dude
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    congrats looks good
     
  3. CINCUENTA~TRES
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    Great job EB. Looks like the course is alot of fun.

    Cinc~
     
  4. Zombie Duck
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    I wish we had a class like that here, there's not even a welding class at the community college here in town.:(
     

  5. TexasHardcore
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    EnglishBob, that looks great! Keep showing us your progress!

    Check www.MetalMeet.com for metal meets in your areas.

    Zombie, I was tossing the idea around of doing a metal meet at my personal shop (Near Austin) or a friends hot rod shop in Austin. Keep your eyes peeled on MM and here, if we get enough interest we will hold a meet maybe early next year.
     
  6. fordcragar
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    from Yakima WA.

    Join MetalMeet and contact JVO, he usually has a meet in Lethbridge every year.
     
  7. EnglishBob
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    Third class we finished the scoops and then moved on to a fender.
    It's a great workout and amazes me how the metal seems to shape itself when you're wheeling it.
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    A few things the instructors made with Lazze and we'll attempt later.
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  8. budd
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    so when is your friend going to come to BC and have a course?
     
  9. Kona Cruisers
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    there is group of informal classes in Texas. Next one is nov 13 near DoD location....
     
  10. EnglishBob
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    Carried on with the fenders.
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    And finally close to the finished product,which for the first attempt was about 4 hours.
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    A 'Class' photo
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    Something the instructors are trying out that we can attempt later in the course.
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  11. chris55
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  12. prost34
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    For beginners??!!!,,wow,killer work,,i am a mud guy,wish i had the skills,,:D
     
  13. Blue One
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    Did you look at the pictures of the shop and the equipment in it ? I think the question should be when are you coming to Calgary and enrolling in a course?
     
  14. BaznJosh
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    Oh to have access to that amount of hardware!
     
  15. pimpin paint
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    Hey,

    If you look closer, you'll see those are ''Hecho in China'' via "Horably Fucked" ''English'' wheels & shrinkers painted bleu being used in this classroom................ proof positive that you can produce metalshaped parts without spending big bucks!

    '' Life ain't no Disney movie"
     
  16. harrydude
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    the wheels might be cheap.............

    but the teachers are priceless.....

    you can not put a prince on what we are learning..........

    but I hear someone who is jelous.....
     
  17. oj
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    The difference between 'metal shaping' and metal bending is like a fillet mignon to a burger. Metal shaping will put a smile on your face.
    Good work, keep it up.
     
  18. dawford
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    I have one of those english wheels (Harbor Frieght) that I have not set up yet.

    If I ever get good enough to tell the difference I may put out the big bucks for a better one.

    My son started writing software programs on a 4k TRS-80 Radio Shack computer back in 1978.

    We now have a large Medical Management software business.

    One of the reasons that he is as sucessfull at designing software is that in the beginning he had only 4K of program memory to work with.

    All of this to say that sometimes learning on minimal equipment is an advantage.

    If you get good at it then buy better equipment you will only get better.

    I have known wood workers who bought a whole shop full of the best equipment available and still did poor work and others who used old Shopsmith all in one equipment and did excellent work.

    Sort of the man makes the tool, kind of thing.

    Anyway does anyone know of a good book that tells the basics of using the English Wheel, the Stretcher and Shrinker and other basic metal forming methods.

    I know that books are not as good as hands on training but I can read the book and then experiment untill I can do at least the most basic shaping.


    P.S. I have seen information on the web about how to modify the Harbor Freight wheel to make it as good as all but the best English wheels.

    I'll see how I do with the one I have out of the box.
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  19. harrydude
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  20. pimpin paint
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    Hey,

    Today, unlike 25-30 years ago, there is a slew of information about metalshaping available for you . Check out viedos buy Ron Covell, Ron fournier, Kent White, John Glover, HAMB members John Kelly, Mindover & especially check out metalshapers.org & metalmeet.

    Goodluck with your metlshaping,

    " All great truths began as blasphemies "
     
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  22. EnglishBob
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    So the fenders are finished with some people adding their own little touches so we're moving on to a Motorbike gas tank.
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    First the template,cut it out with the shear and get to work.
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    Lots of shrinking for this one.
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    After about 90 minutes we had.
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  23. EnglishBob
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    So tonights episode was to finish the gas tank and then next week move onto the mini '32' and maybe the grill shell.
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  24. Duke
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    Could you suggest that they do the course over a week, so us out of town guys could join in? I am in to do some long days to learn some more skills.
     
  25. 972toolmaker
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    allmetalshaping.com Join and be amazed. We get a lot of new members from the HAMB you will find we are a friendly bunch.:D
     
  26. EnglishBob
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    If you follow the Vintage Rods link posted earlier one of the instructors posts on there and is open to suggestions.
    This is a brand new course that has happened because 2 guys are passionate enough so they are open to ideas.
     
  27. Mr48chev
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    Nice work on that piece. This is something that I want to learn.
     
  28. tinmann
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    Bob, it's very cool that a course like that was able to be developed from the ground floor. Even cooler that it "sold out" in record time. The fact that people are scrambling to get in line for the next time it's offered, speaks well for the program and the interest level of D.I.Y. type people. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to document the progress here and over on the "other channel".

    I sincerely hope nobody made fun of you because you talk funny. I know I never would.
     
  29. EnglishBob
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    I never realised i talked funny I just thought you lou lot were foreigners.
    I will bring a translator for the next brekkie which might be soon in PG.
     
  30. tinmann
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    Seriously???
     

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