i just took the lazze step 1 class and i am very happy with how his bead roller performs but it does have its limitations- depth of the bead into the sheet is one along with the thickness of the metal it can bead his comes with 10 dyes and then each additional dye set runs 75-150 depending on the configuration i found a P9 for a cheaper price and it has several dyes with it so i would not have to buy his "deep shrinker" either my only thing with it is making new dyes- how do you do yours? can i just get 1" and then cut it with a band saw or plasma cutter or does it have to be laser cut it water jetted? in the end i would like to produce car body's like he teaches in his classes so a 30's fords does anyone have both machines? which do you use more? what are the disadvantages to the pullmax?
Simple - BOTH!!! I think this is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. I've got a P9 - they're BIG and HEAVY - still a rockin' machine!
Disadvantages--- big & heavy, 3 ph 2 sp motor. If you've got the room & can deal with the power and it's reasonable priced, it's hard to beat. That's why they call Pullmax's a universal machine. With the proper dies it can planish, cut, form, shape, shrink, everything but weld the pieces together. There is tons of information on Metalmeet & Metalshapers web sites. Ebay has lots of tooling & info also available. I think the P9 weighs about 4000 lbs.
Get the pullmax! never want to live without one again. tooling is so easy to make, theres a dvd from a guy named stolarsky showing how to do it or search the metalmeet forums or allmetalshaping.com. Mario
I have a friend who had some dies for his pullmax water jetted out of some 1 1/4 chromemoly plate, then detailed them to his own specs. I have helped him use them and they work great, and the moly will make them last longer.
thanks for posting that?- not able to look @ it until next week, but yes thats it still undecided- i have used a p7 a little- i don't want too much of a learning curve if i get this- i may opt for the bead roller and hope i can find a pullmax down the road
I would have to agree with everyone here and say go for the pullmax. Last summer a friend of mine had no where to put his pullmax so he brought it over to my shop. I used it almost everyday for the 8 months it was here and then in February he came and picked it up to take it to the shop he is working at now. Now I'm like a kid who lost his puppy, I miss that thing more than ever. If anyone knows anyone who is selling one for a reasonable price and within 1000 miles of Edmonton let me know!! haha
there's ton of resources on the .net to build your own and have both machines for far less then the price of the bead roller from Lazzes that's what i,m doing i bought plans to build a pullmax and found drawings to build the beadroller
purchased the pullmax today but can't pick it up few a few weeks. purchased the 2 dvd's on how to make tooling the problem to me with the bead roller are the dyes. i don't have a lathe and the machine shops that have quoted me to make dyes are expensive. the lazze roller has 36 pair available, comes with the book(which you can buy for 180) that has the combos and the profile they make plus its adjustable. after using it 3 days in class i must say i think its worth the money yet i wish it was deeper. i stumbled across the pullmax on a crazedlist search when i was bored- never even considered one b/c of the cost, this being less then the roller and the ability to make my own tooling not to mention all of the bias on here i think i made the right decision.
Great choice! I have a P9. you can make dies from steel, aluminum, delrin, uhmw,and even wood. make them with band saw, grinder, drill press, torch what ever you have handy! BTW the DVD's are very informative!
check out "pullmax" om ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Pullmax-Tooling...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335b376b9e
Kevin, yea I posted it for a reason! never,never,never go on a public forum and post a pullmax that you maybe able to buy unless you have already bought it... took all of 2 mins. too find it on google. if I lived closer I would have bought it... I have owned almost every piece on metal shaping equipment out there and these things are getting harder to find.. I would never go on a public forum and advertise a piece of equipment until it was mine. hey I'm thinking of buying a 32 3 window I live in orange county what do you guys think! now one in there right mind would post something like that before they bought it.... OK I may sound like an asshole but please take this as a lesson. don't post your intentions on a public forum you will loose your deal every time.
You guys may be interested in the P-Max "Pullmax Style" Reciprocating Power Hammer. This machine uses the same 3/4" square tooling as the P-21 and some of the other models. I designed and built the P-Max several years ago. I do offer plans and will soon have kits available. Here is the youtube link to see it in operation. http://www.youtube.com/user/deserthybridsaz#p/u/5/H1xPPl5p0dA You can build the P-Max from scratch for around $700 in parts/materials cost. Thanks, David www.deserthybrids.com
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