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Technical F 1 steering box mod with pics

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by 48fordnut, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. 48fordnut
    Joined: Nov 4, 2005
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    I am in the process of modding my F1 steering box to a Model A mount.
    The shaft gear and the pitman arm gear both have bad pits. . Both parts are available.How bad will this affect the steering?
    Las pic shows parts to be welded together. Shaft is installed backwards.
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  2. Replace them.You will have a smoother box when done.The pitman gear has a swaged end on the cross pin.Grind it down,and the pin is a light press out. I replaced the input shaft,and gear.It cost more,but was the easy way out.You can press the original off,and on.There are how to"s here.
     
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  3. 48fordnut
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    Thanks Steve.
     
  4. I did the same thing with an F1 box for my Model A. Great write up on this process in Vern Tardel's Let Me Help You book on steering.
    Make sure you bevel both the steering box and the Model A flange so you get good weld penetration.
    Once welded, press out the bushing halves (they'll be toast) and press in a new bushing.
     
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  5. Model A Gomez
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    I did the same thing on my 30 but had a machine shop cut an inset for a 56 F1 seal, requiers you to shorten one of the bushings but stops leaks.
     
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  6. Pete1
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    F100 steering mod..png I have installed several F1 and F100 steering boxes in hot rods. I have always used the "modify the frame" method rather than cutting up the box. You end up with something with no welds or mods and can be EASILY replaced with a STOCK part if need be.
    If you have the fabrication equipment the job can be done in about an hour.

    Also, there is always the insurance liability thing with welded steering.

    A side note: these boxes can benefit from a cover girdle to keep the center slack out of the adjustment for extended periods of time. This does not need to be done for mild street use.
     
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  7. panheadguy
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    Who makes the girdle?
     
  8. A break at the welded flange on a side-steer steering box, would not result in a loss in the ability to steer. The shaft goes through the frame and is contained by the pitman arm and nut on the outside of the frame. A break at the flange would result in the steering box not being mounted rigidly, but would not result in steering loss or impact the ability to pull over to the side of the road
     
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  9. Pete1
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    You do. It can be made with a hack saw a drill and a couple of files. It needs to follow the contour of the cover on the inside fairly close. Trial and fit. You probably won't notice any improvement unless you are stressing the steering like in a race car.
     
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  10. Petel... Any tips for us on your "modify the frame" method?
     
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  11. Christian Moller
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    here is another way to do it:)
    It is a press fit, i heated the flange and it sits like its solid.
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  12. Pete1
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    Basically, cut the area around the old steering holes out with a small cut off wheel. Make a plate to fit the new steering flange. Fit the plate to the hole in the frame. Put the whole steering assembly in and bolt it up to the dash or tank so it is in the position you want it finally. Final fit the adapter plate to the frame with the proper kick out. As you mock it up you will see where fillet pieces need to go. Weld everything together.
     
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