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Technical Metal in Fresh Motor Oil Pan

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by StevieJ455, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. StevieJ455
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  2. lippy
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    That's a lot of stuff. Block possibly not clean enough? Maybe drop the pan and look at some bearings to be sure. Not saying it's from bearings . Are those big chunks in your hand magnetic? Just suggestions. Lippy
     
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  3. not a good thing
     
  4. toxic waste
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    What 455 ? Pontiac 455 has 3 1/4 main diameter. They need around .003 clearance. They don't like high rpm. Just watch your oil pressure and run it .
     

  5. saltflats
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    New flat tappet cam?
     
  6. StevieJ455
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    StevieJ455

    Yes, Pontiac 455
     
  7. StevieJ455
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    StevieJ455

    Yes. New Erson Flat tappett cam
     
  8. saltflats
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    Did you do proper breakin procedure?
     
  9. Did you use break in oil? HRP
     
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  10. StevieJ455
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    Yes, 2k but only got about 10 minutes on the run stand. The radiator on stand was undersized and it started to overheat.
     
  11. toxic waste
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    Make sure you have pontiac lifters not Chevy lifters. They will fit but not oil right.
     
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  12. StevieJ455
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    Correct. Break in oil used.
     
  13. Lost in the Fifties
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    Some of the metal in your hand looks like metal from turning the crank. Did you use a gun bore brush through all oil holes in crank? Machine shops turn crank, but most don't clean them out afterward.
     
  14. lostone
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    I agree with a couple above, as big as the pieces are it looks like inadequate cleaning of parts when assembling.

    I'd pull the pan and plasti-guage the rod and main bearings, if they check out bolt it back together and run it.
     
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  15. saltflats
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    10 minutes isn't enough time.
    It would be okay to shot it off, but when fired again it needs to back up to 2000 rpm for the remainder of the breakin time.
     
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  16. m.ralph
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    What break in oil did you use?
     
  17. koolbeans
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    If that came out of the oil pan or filter motor needs to be taken apart and thoroughly cleaned and inspected. No way that trash is a good sign.

    Sent from my XT1710-02 using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
  18. 3,000 rpm for thirty minutes to break in a cam. With low tension valve springs. then after break in you install the stiffer springs. You gotta really clean a new assembly. And prelube the engine before you start it. That engine is contaminated. take it apart and assemble it correctly and clean enuf to eat from.
     
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  19. toxic waste
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    If there are big cast iron chips , that's from boring cylinders. Someone did not clean very well after all machining was done. The crank was just polished that would be very fine grit. It's all about cleaning. I worked at a machine shop and the blocks went in cleaner 2 to 3 times. All holes was brushed and hosed out.
     
  20. Who assembled the engine... You or the machine shop?
     
  21. StevieJ455
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    Long block from the machine shop
     
  22. StevieJ455
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    StevieJ455

    Joe Gibbs break in Oil, Driven.
     
  23. StevieJ455
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    StevieJ455

    Long block from machine shop.
     
  24. 1946caddy
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    Not what you want to hear but I would tear engine completely apart and check everything. Had to go threw oil pump to get to the filter which means in is everywhere in your engine.
     
  25. toxic waste
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    I would take it back to machine shop as is and show them .
     
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  26. That’s the best thing to do,,,
    Pray nothing got tore up, it will be obvious if it did because that’s a lot of debris.

    The cam break in procedure key to success is light duty valve springs. It’s a ROYAL PITA and double work. Funny that years ago it was never done and rare to hear of a problem.
     
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  27. toxic waste
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    A curtain brand of oil pump has been known to have chips in them. Most Pontiac engine builders disassemble oil pump and clean and lubes.
     
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  28. Don't tear anything more apart on it! Take your oil sample and filter to them and let them tell you what to do next. Assuming they're a "stand-up" machine shop. The less you touch the less reason they have to suspect your motives.
     



  29. YES/AND NO! Yes- I'de fully tear it apart to inspect before running it. But NO- I'de take the samples of the picture shown back to the machine shop, and raise a lil hell.... Sorry- I don't care what make/model/engine that's from, that's just unacceptable.....
    And it's been run...... Hey- Not to piss in anyone's Wheaties, but- if that was caught in the oil filter, Just think where the rest went, and circulated through..........:(
     
  30. footbrake
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    DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BUT TAKE IT ALL TO YOUR BUILDER AND SHOW HIM!!!
     
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