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  1. 29moonshine
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    I have a truck bed that is galvanize metal . I was painted black then purple the paint is turning loose in spots . I am going to sandblast it to bear metal. how do I prep it to get the paint to stick to it. I have never painted galvanize metal before thanks
     
  2. Jack E/NJ
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    Don't think you wanna sandblast and risk removing the zinc coating from the steel. Jack E/NJ
     
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  4. nochop
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    Metal Prep? Or vinegar bath?
     

  5. verde742
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    vinegar and plenty of it ... its cheap and effective
     
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  6. clem
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    Sand with 80 grit.
     
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  7. Jack E/NJ
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    That's almost as bad as sandblasting. Jack E/NJ
     
  8. clean
    sand
    the grit can vary depending what you are going to spray on top of it
    I would look up the tech sheet on what primer/paint you plan to use and follow their directions
    the vinegar will remove any 'white rust"
    alkyd/oil paints generally do not like galvanize
     
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  9. 29moonshine
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    I have to get it back to metal to repainting it.[ if not blasting it what]
     
  10. alanp561
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    Acid bath (vinegar) and, if you sand, USE A RESPIRATOR, that galvanized coating is not good for you if you breath the dust, or the fumes from welding or burning. Leaving dust on exposed skin for long periods can result in skin irritations. Check with a paint manufacturer and see if you can paint over the galvanized with a zinc chromate primer. It should bond with the galvanized material then you can paint over that.
     
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  11. 29moonshine
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    yea I welded some a long time ago without a respirator and got sicker than a dog
     
  12. flatford39
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    Vinegar bath after all your metal work is done.
     
  13. Vinegar to strip it
    Look into it but what about low pressure blasting with walnuts or baking soda?
    Epoxy primer or an etching primer
    And your top cost of paint
    Latex paint and primer adhere to galvanize but are not particularly durable if the bed is going to be used for work.
    Is there a galvanized paint, or maybe powder coating?
     
  14. DID EVERYONE NOT SEE "GALVANIZED' IN THE TEXT??? maybe you need to re-think your advice to the original poster
     
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  15. yellow dog
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    Zinc Chromate primer..........there are restrictions, but I think you can still obtain trivalent version
    to passivate the zinc
     
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  16. nochop
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    I would prep galvanized flashings and gutters with a product called Metal Etch or metal prep or vinegar. That seemed to hold up well. But than again never used it on auto parts or anything that needed a fine finish
     







  17. Yes I did that’s why I recommended what I did.
    What do YOU recommend? Instead of trying to make it out others are wrong ?
     
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  18. 29moonshine
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    he wants to go back with single stage purple paint to match the rest of the truck
     
  19. clem
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    I gave good advice for the amount, or lack of information given.
    You are welcome to improve on my statement, if you are able.
    Thanks
    Clemens

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  20. Reading a tech sheet is standard practice for any paint

    The epoxy I use recommends a 120 - 180 grit scratch on galvanized

    The vinegar will clean galvanize
    It’s not listed in the tech sheet for the product I use but is a standard home remedy for cleaning galvanized
    On new cars we use an etch primer to handle the galvanize issue .
    Not knowing the product being used is the reason for generic answers
    The question was answered from the limited info given
    More specific answeres can be given with more info.
     
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  21. clem
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    He wants to paint it, presumably to protect it from the elements or to match the rest of his vehicle, he didn’t say that he wants to save the galvanising........

    He also says that he wants the paint to stick !


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  22. The paint is not the issue
    It’s what is sprayed under it
    Only industrial products are used straight over galvanize. Automotive paint manufacturers recommend either an epoxy or self etching product under their top coats
     
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  23. metlmunchr
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    You could use a product that's actually made for the purpose. Galvaprep reacts with zinc to form a zinc phosphate coating that paint will bond to more effectively than vinegar which forms zinc acetate on the surface.

    If you have it sandblasted by the normal means then you won't need to worry about the zinc since it won't be there anymore.

    Once treated (or blasted) I'd prime it with epoxy.
     
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  24. Thank you Anthony, nothing bugs me more then when people answer a thread dismissing what advice has been given as wrong, but not adding a damn thing that’s useful.

    Yes and that’s why after stripping and cleaning the surface ( low pressure sandblasting with low abrasive medium, steel wool, somewhat fine sandpaper and being gentle, all will work)
    Epoxy primer or etching primer
    THEN YOUR TOP COAT OF CHOICE

    Latex sticks or adheres best to galvanized but is not the only paint that will work.

    If he wants single stage AFTER prepping and priming/sealing the serface he can paint it with what ever he pleases!
     
  25. junkman8888
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    Guys!, he said he has a truck bed made out of galvanized steel, why aren't we asking for pictures?, I'll bet it's something pretty horrific.
     
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  26. After stripping use vinegar to clean the surface there is a product called XIM primer, it's available in clear & white and designed for ferrous & non ferrous materials, it promotes adhesion.

    I have seen it used on glass,porcelain and chrome and when painted it doesn't chip or flake.
    HRP
     
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  27. 29moonshine
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    so if I media blast the paint off then I can metal prep , epoxy primer like reg sheet metal ?
     

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