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Technical Build a 327 out of a 350?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by JROD_31Hiboy, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. Gman0046
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    Very satisfied the 327 in my 63 Impala. An original 300 HP now .060 over, TRW domed forged pistons, Fuelie 202 heads, Comp Cam XE262H cam and valve springs, balanced, headers and a Holley 670 CFM Street Avenger carburetor, M21 four speed and a 3:73 Posi rear. Not a drag car but pulls extremely well for a big street car. That Comp Cam sounds really bad in a good way and way better then any 350 I've had through Flowmaster 40's. IMG_0647.JPG thit
     
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  2. DDDenny
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    Being a member of the 327 club comes with a premium initiation fee.
    If it was easy (and cheap) everybody would have one.
     
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  3. Hotrodmyk
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    Really happy with the 327 in my pickup. 462 heads (2.02) and Comp cams XE268H. Runs like a top!
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  4. jimmy six
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    Back in 1955 Howard Johanson owner of Howard's Cams had put a welded 1/2" stroke and 4" bore in a 265 and made a 352" as it was called. Mike Waters dumped his flathead for one in the Murray/Waters roadster. Just a little ahead of every one....Howard also made Aluminum heads for them too.
     
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  5. sunbeam
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    11 to1 and iron heads you must have better fuel than I do.
     
  6. s55mercury66
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    A few years later Parnelli Jones was running one in the Fike sprinter (1960). I bet there was one in the Sterling Plumbing car too.
     
  7. 327Eric
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    Put a 307 crank in a 350 block and call it good . The price difference for pistons is neglible. There will always be someone with a bigger, more powerful engine, and there will always be small journal snobs out there. Have fun. Get a set of double hump heads, and an early harmonic balancer, with a short water pump, and only a few snobs will take the time to look for a breathfr.
     
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  8. joel
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    I did that in the 80s. I used L79 pistons and cam with 307 crank and rods. ( complete junkyard shortblock for parts $65 ) New parts were cam, lifters, rings & bearings.


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  9. Did you have it re-balanced, or did you just run it?
     
  10. joel
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    I matched the pistons with the 307 rods by weight to get equal totals, but otherwise no rebalance. I milled a little off the piston domes to reduce compression. .040 IIRC


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  11. 350 HP 327, 950, 3 barrel, muncie M-21 and a 4.10 posi. Yeah, it was certainly fun! Loved going up through the gears but REALLY loved the way it pulled in 4th gear...great engines! 64vette1972.jpg
     
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  12. joel
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    This is a parallel to the thread, but my sisters had a '57 Chevy that the crank broke on their way to school one morning. This was mid sixties and I went to the garage to check out the story. I found it broke in front of the rear main. The 327 with the 307 crank was the last engine I rebuilt with a cast crank and was budget constrained.
     
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  13. Lindy
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    If you make a honest horse per cubic inch, you just pissed away 23
     
  14. Mr48chev
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    True there, most guys would never get past the camel hump heads and short pimp in their nit picking anyhow. Guy starts sticking his nose down far in the engine compartment to look for the tiny details to be able to tell the world you are running a omg 350 block he is too damned snoopy anyhow.

    Still it is primarily a feel good thing over just running the block as a 350 and being done with it but if it feels good why not, worse thing about it is it might cause you to have to buy the cheap beer rather than the good beer for a few weeks to make up the difference.
     
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  15. RaginPin3Appl3
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    Either get a 327 block or don’t bother. You can get a 350 that’s better than a 327 for the same money. If you want to run old valve covers and make it look old, put a breather in the back of the drivers side valve cover and use an oil fill tube with a vented cap.


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  16. sunbeam
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    Isn't there an old adage about there is no substitute for cubic inches.
     
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  17. Deuces
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    Yep!
    I'll take a 327...
     
  18. DDDenny
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    Just for the record; I'm not a 327 snob.
    I also have a 357 small block and an all aluminum 427 small block and it's not an LS either.
    You can't call me narrow minded!
     
  19. 327Eric
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    I will admit to being a 327 snob, or Aficianado. I have procured the large journal parts many times over, but always found a small journal and sold the large journal stuff. I have a November 1961 block in my 59 Elcamino, and a bastard 65 with a Z 28 cam in my Studebaker, a 65 250 horse motor on a stand, and a virgin 66 in storage. I love these little mills.
    There may be no replacement for displacement, but there is nothing like a 327 tickling the redline either.
     
  20. Deuces
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    Deuces

  21. Boost and/or Rpm
    Enough substitution or enough of a replacement for displacement that boost and RPM let a little 4 cyl Honda put a BBC on the trailer with a really sore ass and loose doors.
    The adage held true at one time but is apparently obsolete now, actually has been for quite some time.
     
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  23. 56sedandelivery
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    I put this in the 307 thread, so might as well drop it here too. I have a 307 "nodualar" iron cranks I took in with some parts in a trade. I have NO use for it. It had been freshly turned, sat in a bag in my garage, and now has some rust spots that wipe off with a finger. It's FREE to anyone for shipping costs only. Use it with a 350 block, 5.7 rods, and 327 pistons. I'll even throw in some stock rods I removed from a 350 (5.7 large journal rods). There you go.
    I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
     
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  25. jimmy six
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    Today I’d put a 327-3.25” crank in a 283 block so I could write 307 “stroker” on my rocker covers like all the im-po-tant streetrodders do with their 383’s
     
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  26. Mr48chev
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    In the mid 80's I took a 307 short block that I had pulled out of a Chevelle and put it in my son's 70 chevy long bed with power pack heads and a cast iron 300 hp 327 intake. Stroker 283. Found what was said to be a Z28 cam with numbered lifters at the Portland swap meet and stuck a Holley spread bore that I had on it. With that mess of a combination it ran pretty good and even pulled 16 Mpg on a road trip to Texas in 1989.
     
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  27. sunbeam
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    Forget the 327 get a 400 block 327 crank Eagle 6.25 rods and off the shelf pistons for a 400 with a 6" rod. You have a long rod 3 1/4 stroke 348 + over bore.
     
  28. Illustrious Hector
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    Funny how times have changed. Back in the 70s many guys swapped out 327s for 350s. The only advantage I can see is the small journal crank can spin faster
    If guys could get an LT-1 to put in place of a 327 2bbl they were on it like ugly on a cheap suit.
    I would shit can that old pcv tube under the manifold, any I ever dealt with were plugged with sludge and grease.
     
  29. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Never had a 265. 283s 327s 350s 302s 317 (60 over 307) a couple of 400s (my nephew ratrodder has the last minus the Rodec 350+ block). Of them all, I'd like them all in the "Whatever" once finished. The highest winding was a 327 small journal (8200 rpm). 327-365 hp fitted block from Chevy, 3.25 crank from Stahl, 300 hp rods, good bolts (a must!), 492 angle plug heads, 754 Chevy off road cam lifters and stock rockers, Eldelbrock 1st design Tarantula with 750 Holley double pumper carb, Vette cast iron dual point distributor (the one without vacuum advance).

    This was a screamer. However, the 350 injected motor in the dirt car was cammed and geared to turn 7600 ish rpm and made a LOT more power with a roller cam and ported 492 heads. The aluminum 400 from a sprint car turned 7600-7800 rpm and made the 350 look like a tame street motor.

    What I'm trying to say is "Horses for Courses". Build it the way you want, and don't regret or second guess yourself. Make a plan, stick to it, and enjoy it.
     
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