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Hot Rods 241 Hemi or SBC 265

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by jamesd1502, Feb 14, 2016.

  1. falcongeorge
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    "NOS" isnt just a cutesy, feel good buzz word, it means "new old stock" and refers to an out of production part that was never sold. So if a part is still in production, it is, by definition, not "NOS".
     
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  2. Model A Fan
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    EVERYBODY seems to drop an SBC into a Model A. Its kind of like getting a sex change to do that to a Ford. If you're going to go non-Ford for your power, make it interesting and go Hemi. At least then it isn't like every project you see on Craigslist for sale. "Lost interest, need to sell, SBC engine, thousands invested, asking pennies on the dollar..." etc.
     
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  3. phat rat
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    I vote Hemi also. This has a 270", 4 spd and 3 x 2 in it.
     

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  4. AndersF
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    It seems like everybody uses old Dodgehemis nowdays in their builds.
    Do something radical and use the chevymill and be a real rebel.:D
    I have now 4 cars with the bellybuttom Red Ram hemi started with my 53 Dodge 29 years ago.
    And i can ensure you that they arent very special at all.
    And i have a nice nursinghome for old Dodgehemis if you use the chevy mill.
     
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  5. jamesd1502
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    Looks like I'm running the hemi
     
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  7. D2Denny
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    Jamesdl502:
    I used an adapter and flywheel purchased from Hemi Hot Heads. Used a standard Chev aluminum
    bellhousing
    DSCN1904.JPG
     
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  8. vetteson
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    I believe Hot Heads adapters are actually made by Wilkap.
     
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    How good are you at fabricating or machining? I made my own adapters. Used a new steel 426 Hemi 8 bolt flywheel, counter bore the back of flywheel 1/4". Then you don't need the flange adapter. Disassemble a new gear drive stater and use the nose with gear to fit adapter plate.
     
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  10. jamesd1502
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    Well, since I had purchased the 241 hemi(a year ago) I didn't really get a chance to really inspect it, other than a quick visual at the rocker assembly and inside the valley pan. Well here she is...I thought it was rebuilt but then ran... I don't think so..
     

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  11. 73RR
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    ...just to give a little friendly insight at this point.......the pistons shown in the block are for the POLY head and valve arrangement, NOT the Hemi. Notice that they are not aligned vertically.

    Will this be a issue if you choose to use the engine as-is? If you keep a stock profile cam then probably not.
    The question is whether or not 140hp is adequate for your needs.

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  12. brigrat
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Ouch!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
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  13. Black Panther
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    I thought the Chrysler hemi was the only one to have the "Windsor" poly head? I've never heard nor seen of a Dodge non hemi motor...it'll be news to me if Dodge made hemis and poly versions at the same time.
     
  14. Black Panther
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    So....was intrigued....and looked into it. I guess Plymouth used a variation of the 241 with a poly head. Must have been only a couple years....but Dodge itself to the best of my knowledge offered a 241 hemi and a poly head motor at the same time. Not an expert but maybe those pistons are for the Plymouth motor?
     
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  15. falcongeorge
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    Personally, I would want (a LOT) more than 7.5/1 anyway, but if you need to, could you safely cut new notches in the cast poly pistons? They are probably pretty thick...

    And clean that overspray off the timing chain, that shits gonna come off and end up in the oil pickup screen...
     
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  16. AndersF
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    The pick up engine was a poly 241 and come in 54.
    The same engine was used on early plymouth 55 before it went to 260.
     
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  17. Bader2
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    The hemi heads bolt right up to a poly block,pistons are different. 241/270 for sure.
     
  18. jamesd1502
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    Wow. All news to me. Thank you fellas!!
     
  19. jamesd1502
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    Thank you. I will clean off the over spray
     
  20. whtbaron
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    I have no experience with the 241, but I'm wondering out load here... since there's poly pistons in the block, is there a chance that this is a poly block with Hemi heads bolted on? If it is, does it really make a difference other than the pistons?
     
  21. Bader2
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    It'll just be real low on compression.
     
  22. 73RR
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    Just a note to clarify the 'Windsor' head question.
    Although the 'Windsor' name gets used, often by younger folks familiar with the name, the factory called it a 'single-rocker-shaft' engine; it was also used in the Saratoga.
    I prefer to call it the 'Spitfire' since MaMopar saw fit to emboss the name on the valve cover. This was a Chrysler only application 1955-1958 and only in pass cars.
    In similar fashion, Dodge use a 'single-rocker-shaft' head for many pass car and truck applications and the DeSoto KDS is nothing more than a Dodge 325 Poly.
    Some additional info here: http://www.qualityengineeredcomponents.com/?page_id=8

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  23. sunbeam
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    My guess somebody got a deal on pistons.
     
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  24. RichFox
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    I had one of the small bore 55 301 inch "Single rocker shaft engines" It had a "W" cast into the block. This encouraged me and everybody else to call it a Windsor. We may have been wrong, but we knew what we meant.
     
  25. tubman
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    My '56 truck 331 has the "W" cast in the block; sounds pretty universal. I had always heard that it meant the block was special (from a 300C or some such), but I no longer think that's the case.
     
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  26. porky55
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    I believe, but not positive, the dodge poly motors had tabs on the block for motor mounts. But 241/270 hemis bolted under the water pump. No tabs on the block

    Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
     
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  27. woodbutcher
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    :D Love em all.BUT,"Good golly Miss Molly,gee whiz shazam".You just can`t beat the hemi for the cool factor.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
    Leo
     
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  28. Mr cheater
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    1956 was the first year for mounts on the side of the block before that they mounted off the water pump
     
  29. sunbeam
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    A 270 poly was the only low deck engine in 56
     
  30. I can't even remember if I posted on this thread before or not!
    So here goes! My daily driver 1969-71 was a '54 Dodge Royal,
    241 Red Ram. Stock 140-150 HP depending on who you talk to.
    With the 2 speed Power-flyte and 29 inch diameter Caddy tires
    and weighing about 3600 pounds would do 65 MPH in first gear
    and would touch 100 MPH in second. Thats all the gears it had!
    Totaly reliable. Ran the Thruway at 75-80 for 3-4 hours at a time,
    many times. Used a little oil and that's it.
    I vote HEMI! If I ever change the engine in the avatar car,
    it will be a Dodge Red Ram!
    54_Dodge-001.jpg
     
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