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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pennafxu, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. pennafxu
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    Yessir!


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  2. pennafxu
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    Thank you Sir! Means a lot coming from a senior member... I looked back at my thread and noticed how poorly engineered and badly executed the previous version was... To be honest my goal was to pretty her up, do the coach work and sell her, but here we are 4 years on... All that remains is the spirit of that car and a few frame pieces... Hopefully I will do her some justice. My goal is if Henry had built a speedster to take on the euros of the time!


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  3. pennafxu
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    Little bit more suspension work... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821367.203094.jpg need to switch out suspension arms... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821407.789671.jpg more castle nut joy ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821433.711283.jpg used a punch to remove the cotter pin ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821470.529184.jpg unzipped with air power ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821491.781809.jpg this was on here... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821515.850651.jpg used anti-seize to reassemble...


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  4. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821602.539473.jpg passenger side ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821638.775820.jpg dog bones ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821680.562695.jpg rubber ball ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821699.747673.jpg half a bone ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821719.819121.jpg both halves ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821744.501680.jpg this area will need to be drilled to accept the bolt as the notch is not big enough...


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  5. pennafxu
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    On to some measurements... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821864.061554.jpg tie rod center to center is... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821892.463700.jpg 46.5" ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821926.750113.jpg rear shackle width is 2.25" ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419821953.236169.jpg with a bushing OD of 0.75"


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  6. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419823018.184704.jpg


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  7. manyolcars
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    manyolcars

    Its unlikely that your shocks will work. Probably locked up. Even if they move they will need to be rebuilt and someone will have to machine new parts. See if they move in the right direction. I think the left front works on the right rear and right front on left rear. Theres no shame in using modern tube shocks which were introduced in 1947
     
  8. pennafxu
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    ok will check it out... wanna go with the originals though, need to review who to go with...
     
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  9. chrisntx
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    look on Fordbarn to learn if anyone repairs those
     
  10. pennafxu
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    Thanks... Going with a guy in Santa Ana...


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  11. pennafxu
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    Happy New Year to all! Especially those who helped and contributed to my HOT Rod.....


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  12. pennafxu
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    Zipped up the dog bones... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420333354.241185.jpg
    Pulling the other shock arm off... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420333618.951406.jpg this was frozen! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420333641.018197.jpg new arm ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420333660.487007.jpg hooked up ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420333685.891670.jpg but compared to the other side, is 30 deg off??? Is this because the shocks are frozen and immobile, or the incorrect shock? I.e not the correct position as I assume there are/were 4 shocks?


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  13. pennafxu
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    Anyways... Moving on... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334320.699474.jpg time to remove the shackle pins... These will not budge! Hmmmm... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334466.762297.jpg rosebud tip time! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334515.549368.jpg came out without a fight ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334590.905427.jpg


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  14. pennafxu
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    Other side ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334635.593506.jpg clamped ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334650.228173.jpg really clamped! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334684.380140.jpg the bfh zone... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334736.802258.jpg acetylene first... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334771.270966.jpg slowly introduce oxygen until neutral flame... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334840.214298.jpg barely need much heat here ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334934.934983.jpg hammer time ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420334970.221568.jpg tap tap tap ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335020.075430.jpg and out she came!


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  15. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335210.642305.jpg not so bad... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335266.532912.jpg
    onto the axle mounted pins ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335312.834167.jpg used the air hammer for this... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335367.638071.jpg needed a lot of heat for this! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335389.774195.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335406.958336.jpg almost there ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335426.260108.jpg


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  16. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335495.316074.jpg quick clean up ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335514.018193.jpg other side... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335530.085611.jpg and out she came


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  17. pennafxu
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    Suspension questions... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335591.074548.jpg
    Rough mock up... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335619.126806.jpg this needs to be 3/4" aft ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335661.016310.jpg as you can see where this plate ends up ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335722.035932.jpg this will stretch... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335785.208393.jpg however my concerns are in these pics... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335813.726681.jpg the shackle angles are way off ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420335846.129088.jpg do I cut the hangers and line the shackle angles up?


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  18. pennafxu
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    Or angle the spring mount to match the axle shackle angle?


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  19. daddio211
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    Assuming your pinion is set correctly, I'd angle the spring mount to meet the axle. As much as possible. Finalize/tune the fitment by heating and bending the hangers.

    Looking really good man!
     
  20. pennafxu
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    Yes my pinion angle is correct... I will angle the spring mount and then bend the hangers... Thanks bro!

    Would you heat and bfh, or pry bar?


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  21. manyolcars
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    I spent a lot of time on Fordbarn learning about those shocks. Each repair part has to be individually made and will be expensive. Leaks are common. My conclusion was that they are not worth it and theydo not perform well. They ONLY fit one way! If the notch doesnt lineup with the pinch bolt, you have installed them at the wrong place.
    Tube shocks work well, are cheap and look just fine on a hotrod

    Rear spring packs can be difficult to mount and very dangerous!
    Disassemble the pack, attach the main leaf, it is easy, then use big C clamps and a spike thru the center hole to line up the leaves as you tighten with the C clamps then put the center bolt in and tighten it before releasing the C clamps
     
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  22. manyolcars
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    manyolcars

    Something is wrong You should not have to bend the hangers Look it over, think
     
  23. manyolcars
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    manyolcars

    I looked back at your pictures and it looks like the rear axle is pointed at the transmission. The correct way is for the trans and axle angle to be the same.
    In other words, if the rear of the transmission is 3 degrees off vertical, the yoke on the rear axle should be the same 3 degrees off vertical.
     
  24. pennafxu
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    Ok this makes sense... I already am willing to shell out the bucks for the rebuild... I will readjust the mount point for the shock and see where this ends up... More to follow...


    Thanks for the reassembly tip on the spring pack... I will attempt this when my shackle pins come in...
    Further, on those pins do I need to push out the sleeves on the main spring eyes, or can they be used with the P&J kit as a direct fit for the urethane bushings?

    I followed directions to a tee on the pinion angle stuff... My only two options are as above unless you have another option??


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  25. manyolcars
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    manyolcars

    tell us the instructions you followed
     
  26. pennafxu
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    Ok... Read the tardel book and various other sources... Made sure my trans pinion angle is equal but opposite to my yoke angle right at 3.5 deg... Then lined up the weld points and tacked away... My rear axle shackle mounts appear to be 3.5 deg off which is equal to my yoke angle... So I need to offset my spring mount point 3.5 deg, or bend the axle shackle mounts 3.5 deg, or meet those angles somewhere in the middle... I have been told that this was the right way to go about it by many different builders... But wanted to run it by the HAMB pros... I can dial in the final angles also by adjusting the center crossmember (down would lessen the pinion angle) which I don't really want to do... Or dial in the rear pinion angle by adjusting the clevises on the ladder bars... I guess I could hack off the mounts and go with a P&J kit or fab something also...

    Please advise.


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  27. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420355352.467874.jpg
    Rear shackles...
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1420355369.217439.jpg
    Kit...


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  28. daddio211
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    Sounds like you set the rear end correctly.
     
  29. pennafxu
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    So fellas the question stands... Do I tack my spring mount bracket at 3.5deg, or have I done something out of sequence...

    Where is Alchemy when u need him??


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  30. daddio211
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    Unless your chassis is at 0°, then no. Yours is raked (lower in the front) so the angle would have to compensate for that, plus the angle of the pinion. Make sense?
     

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