The '32 chassis for my pickup project is all mocked up and I love the stance, but the wishbone barely clears my flathead pan under the starter area. There is no room for suspension travel. I really do not want to split or modify the wishbone. I plan to add the 4 leaves I've removed back to the front spring, but even with all of them installed I'm only going to have somewhere around 1/4" of clearance between the wishbone and pan. Depending on how much this raises the front end, I'll probably change out the current 4" dropped axle with one that has a 5" drop to make up for the additional leaves and get the stance back down to where it is now. I've searched around and have found a couple of threads where guys have mentioned trimming their pans for clearance, but have found no details. So I am looking for opinions, pros/cons, things to watch for, etc before I take a cut off wheel to this area and start carving. Any advice would be appreciated...thanks.
We made some reference lines on my pan then removed it, clamped it to the bench, heated it and made a nice little dimple with a heavy pipe of an appropriate diameter. Looks quite natural. Your car has far more rake however. Great looking rig btw.
Here's the trick my buddies use, a wishbone spacer. I'm not sure anybody makes em though they really should. JohnnyA
I made a slit right at the bend. I cut the center of the slit out to about a half inch. I split the metal going away from the slit on the bottom. I bent the flaps down and welded everything. The metal is heavy and nothing warped.
Are you trying to use split bones? I don't understand your problem. I used original unsplit bones on both of these. A 32 wish bone on a 32 frame...no problem. The original radius rod comes nowhere close to the pan on my frames. Thy original wish bone has a cast section on the back that goes around the pan with the ball to hook to the frame.
Tommy - No I'm not using split bones. I'm using a stock 32 wishbone. I have a lot of drop in my front suspension and the k-member hits the pan under the starter mount as shown in my 3rd pic. Maybe don't think 'oil pan'...think 'starter mount' .
With your amount of rake it would be interesting to check front end caster. I would think by adding a spacer above the wishbone ball it may return it to 7 or 8 degrees.and help starter clearance.
The pans have different contours. The early pans have more clearance than the later ones. The starter clocking is also different. I needed the clearance with a stock frame,wishbone and front end. I have a 59A engine and pan sitting on stock 32 mounts.
I'm with Tommy, you shouldn't be having any trouble and you don't have that much rake really. What about a different sump/ oil pan. or raise the motor at the front a little? Also are they 8BA style water pumps your using on an early block? At worst case, the area your talking about doesn't hold oil, so a little 'fixing' with a 4lb hammer wouldn't be an issue. http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff305/ranchodeluxe/L1020308.jpg this is lowsquires, his is the only car I can currently think of running the original radius rod and early block that I knew I could find a photo of. You should be able to get this sort of clearance. I hope you sort it out, as its these things that can really be a pain!
Here's a better pic of the crossmember and pan. The flathead is a 99A. I don't know what this pan is off of originally. That motor has been piecemealed together at some point in it's life but I have another '46 59A setting in the shop and the pans both look the same with what look like the same contour.
That's what I'm thinking. It's an easy enough problem to fix..I'm just a little curious now as to what it is that is not keeping it from fitting like you guys say it should.
Hard to tell how close you are with those pics. Have you cycled the axle up and down the full range of motion? Take the spring out and give it a try. If you have maybe 4 inches of travel at the axle, it will translate to 1 inch travel 3/4 of the way back, where that close spot is. If you add one of those spacers (Vern Tardel's website has them) under the wishbone ball, you will gain both another 3/4 inch of clearance, as well as more caster. And who couldn't use more caster?
Early pans will give you more wishbone room. I use 33/34 ones most of the time. But I have hammered a indent for later pans too. If you take your time it will look like it came that way. The bones dont move that much that far back. And use a 32 rear axle bump stop on each side where your spring will hit the frame. And that should take care of your problem.
OK. I've got a better plan now. I'm going to start with the spacer before I decide if I need to mess with the pan. Vern's web site says his 'radius rod cap kit' is temporarily unavailable and it sounds like the Model A version won't fit...since I don't have a '32 Model A 5 window roadster like Elrod does. Anybody know of another vendor for the '32 version? Looks like everybody carries the one for a Model A. Could it be modified to work on a '32?..what's different?..ball size?
The bolt spacing is wrong and they dont fit into the crossmember. maybe some grinding and filing out holes you could maybe make it fit. I would make one before I did that tho. They are made to add castor to your frontend. You will have more then you need already when you drop the frontend that much. If you can dig up a early pan it will give you the room you need. Or dimple the one you have now. Everyone has been doing that for years. Thats one of the reasons people have been splitting bones for years.
Two 1936-6 caps equal one complete ball socket, then build a spacer. I think Tardel now reproduces the caps... I can't imagine why there's a problem, but without craling under there...??
One reason I'd like to start with the spacer instead of the pan is because I also have a juice brake conversion kit (made by Early V8 Garage) with a brake pedal arm that mounts real close to the other side of the wishbone and I would like to gain a little more space there as well...I'm going to keep that early pan in mind though. I wondered if a couple of caps would work. I have a handful of 35-40ish caps. Tardel is out of stock. Anytime you want to visit the Ozarks and crawl under my pickup you are more than welcome to stop by. I would love to pick your brain for a day! Hell, I just might pay for the plane ticket. Well, you knew more than I did Elrod. I'll give JobLot a call in a bit.