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Technical Weird Rear Diff Help Needed

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Magfiend, Apr 5, 2024.

  1. Magfiend
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    I bought a differential and cool magnesium side plates with splined IRS axle stubs and aluminum disc brake mounts in Indy a few years back that were purported to be for a Halibrand V8 quickchange - there were no manufacturer marks anywhere but it looked legit - I didn't need it nor did I really have a plan to use it but thought it was cool. The diff is missing some internal parts but I thought maybe I could figure out what it needs.

    Started looking closely at it this week and it turns out that it actually does not fit a V8, nor would it fit an H101 midget qc either. The outer bolt circle is 8 15/16" with tiny 5/16" holes, slightly smaller than the Halibrand stuff and off enough that it doesn't fit. The differential also does not fit the V8 ring gear although it has an equally-spaced 8 bolt pattern like a V8 (the H101 midget ring gear has a Ford Model A-style offset 9 bolt pattern), the pattern is just smaller in diameter at 5 9/16". I have no idea what this is for - at first glance it sure looks correct for a qc but nothing fits. It is definitely vintage and the sideplates are magnesium - not sure if other qc manufacturers built a small qc that was slightly different than the Halibrand...

    If anyone has seen something like this please let me know.

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  2. Kerrynzl
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    This one is easy :D:D:D

    And this is the clue!
    upload_2024-4-6_13-52-18.png

    That looks like a "Weismann Locker" which was very successful in early Road racing.

    The Weismann Locker was technically an "Unlocker" that would release torque on the inside wheel through corners
    preventing understeer
    upload_2024-4-6_13-57-45.png
     
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  3. squirrel
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  4. Magfiend
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    Cool, thanks!
     
  5. Magfiend
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    Chris got back to me from Weismann - unfortunately this is not a Weismann locker, he said it looks like a cam and pawl, so back to the hunt...
     
  6. Magfiend
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    Looks like maybe a vintage Hewland...
     
  7. nrgwizard
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    from Minn. uSA

    Maybe...
    From Dec '66 HotRod mag, pgs 100 & 101:
    Hy-Torq differential, made in Portland Oregon.
    The article states Hy-Torq will have 80 different units available by first part of 1967.
    Magfiend, your pieces don't look quite correct, compared to the pics/drawings in the article, but maybe that diff is for racing. The street unit had 8 rollers in it, worked on the free-wheeling/sprag/roller concept. Very similar to Weisman diff.
    Marcus...
     
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  8. Magfiend
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    Thanks, I'll check it out...looks like that one used rollers as opposed to the pawls (called plungers or chicklets) in a plunger carrier.
     
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  9. Kerrynzl
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    It is a cam and pawl [sorry I mislead you]

    This is the drive flange [these usually have 8 x pawls in them]
    [​IMG]

    The inner is usually the L/H axle and the outer is the R/H axle
    [​IMG]

    When assembled the drive flange with the pawls goes between the inner and outer.

    A Cam and pawl is brutal like a Detroit locker, stand on the gas mid corner and you get understeer.
    AND they can lock under extreme downshifting as well
    Here is a cutaway of a Hewland Cam and Pawl [inner L and outer R in red, drive flange in blue]

    upload_2024-4-27_17-43-0.png


    They were also made by Jack Knight, and Staffs
     
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  10. Kerrynzl
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    Here is a Jack Knight Cam and Pawl I found on the interwebs
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Oneball
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    It’s not going to be a Jack Knight one, they will have only 6 crown wheel bolts as he did MG Midget and Mini stuff.
     
  12. Magfiend
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    If I could ID the make maybe I could narrow down what kind of car it ran in and find a market for it. I thought for sure the smooth mag IRS side plates would be a giveaway...
     

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