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Technical Snow White short water pump Alternator mounting

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Do it Over, Feb 2, 2020.

  1. Do it Over
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    I didn't like the Snow White alternator as it mounted high and used heim joints on the adjusting rod. I found a factory Ford bracket that works well with a shortened spacer. Same parts that work for the 1G alternator also work with a 3G unit. I'll be sticking with the 3G to support my A/C.
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  2. squirrel
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    That looks like it should work. Although I'd run a brace from the large mounting bolt, at the top front of the alternator, over to the water pump somewhere. There's a significant bending load on that mounting bolt, the way it is set up now.
     
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  3. I know the snow white setup helps with squeezing the sbf in the tight confines of the hood but the fan is so low it's not going to be too efficient, do you pan on adding a electric fan? HRP
     
  4. Jalopy Joker
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    x2

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  5. Agree, that 7/16 bolt will sheer right at the head in not vary many miles. Support the front of it.
     
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  6. Been there,done that. HRP

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  7. DDDenny
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    What's the reason to dislike rod end (heim joint) adjusters?

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  9. Johnboy34
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    "I didn't like the Snow White alternator as it mounted high and used heim joints on the adjusting rod. I found a factory Ford bracket that works well with a shortened spacer. Same parts that work for the 1G alternator also work with a 3G unit. I'll be sticking with the 3G to support my A/C."

    Where will an a/c compressor go?
     
  10. squirrel
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    If you're building a car to look like the one in your picture, they fit right in. But if you're building a traditional car, not so much.
     
  11. Do it Over
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    That's how Ford sent em out of the factory. I've never had one bend yet.
     
  12. Do it Over
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    Much to the horror of traditionalist I'll run an electric compressor out of an electric car like Leaf or Prius and mount it on the chassis in the rear part of the x-member or inside the trunk. I'll know for sure once I get it.
     
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  13. Johnny Gee
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    ^^^^^ Out of sight out of mind.
     
  14. Do it Over
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    Totally different application. Shear force on a front engine mount is very different the the pivot on an alternator.
     
  15. Do it Over
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    Yes, to the electric fan. My plan is to make a shroud to assist the mechanical fan and put an electric pusher in front on top. I'll incorporate some trap doors or flaps to allow air flow through the shroud when the electric fan comes on.
     
  16. Do it Over
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    OK, maybe I was mistaken on the alternator bolt not being supported by a brace/bracket. I'll investigate but I've run them this way many times for many years with no problem, ever.
     
  17. squirrel
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    I don't think so. But if you're confident it won't fail, go for it! Ford apparently didn't share your confidence.

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  18. Do it Over
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    Yup, I stand corrected. I'll make a bracket out of 1/16" plate.
     
  19. DDDenny
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    :cool:
     
  20. Do it Over
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    Gotta admit that this is why I post. I both need and enjoy the feedback. It's all 'bout the learnin' and 'memberin'. Thanks guys.
     
  21. squirrel
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    Since it's in compression, you might want something just a little bit thicker, perhaps 12 or 14 gauge (3/32" or so thick). I'd probably use 1/8" or 3/16" if it were just a flat strap. Thinner would work for a formed bracket like the factory used.
     
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  22. Johnny Gee
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    ^^^^^ Why is it one can pull a rope but not push it?
     
  23. That was not a engine mount but where the alternator bracket bolted on. HRP
     
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  24. DDDenny
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    Depends on the length of the rope!
     
  25. Johnny Gee
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    Again, thickness play's into it.
     
  26. DDDenny
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    That's what she said!
     
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  27. Johnny Gee
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    Rope Trick!
     
  28. Do it Over
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    OK, so this is my temporary bracket. It's made of 3/32 aluminium. I couldn't find any thicker at hand as I most always use steel. The local aluminum warehouse went out of business several years ago so I don't have much. I'll find another source and stock up on some sheet and plate. The replacement will be 1/8" aluminum with a reduced angle on the joggle.
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  29. squirrel
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    If you put the bends near the bolts, it might have a chance...and if it's aluminum, use 1/4" thick. The thickness I listed above would be appropriate for steel.
     
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  30. Brand Apart
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    Good advice from squirrel as expected....... I just clicked on it to see what a Snow White Watet pump was and I'm still wondering
     

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