Register now to get rid of these ads!

Roadster Royal

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Ryan, May 27, 2008.

  1. Ryan
    Joined: Jan 2, 1995
    Posts: 15,144

    Ryan
    ADMINISTRATOR
    from Austin, TX
    Staff Member

  2. Royalshifter
    Joined: May 29, 2005
    Posts: 15,246

    Royalshifter
    Moderator
    from California

    Absolutely gorgeous automobile.
     
  3. lockwoodkustoms
    Joined: Dec 22, 2005
    Posts: 3,757

    lockwoodkustoms
    Member

    That is cool, I wonder if they are still around? It will be interesting to see what pops up with this thread.
     
  4. oldandkrusty
    Joined: Oct 8, 2002
    Posts: 1,941

    oldandkrusty
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    It's hard to get a handle on just how big or small this thing is. Ryan, it sounds as if it is on the small side. Are there any photos that you know of that show the roadster in comparison to some other vehicle so that its size can be estimated? In any event, a pure work of art and a thing of beauty! Would love to have it parked in my garage...
     
    Register now to get rid of these ads!

  5. tjm73
    Joined: Feb 17, 2006
    Posts: 3,193

    tjm73
    Member

    That is very cool. I wish the pictures were of today's quality. I'd love to see clear pics of how the chassis was put together.

    It looks like it'd be in the 80-90" wheelbase range judging from the 15" wheels it says it has in the first picture.
     
  6. xderelict
    Joined: Jul 30, 2006
    Posts: 2,366

    xderelict
    Member

    If I were this hotrod, and someone tapped me on the shoulder and said your it,I would smile and say thanks,I knew that.
     
  7. Redneck Smooth
    Joined: Apr 19, 2004
    Posts: 1,344

    Redneck Smooth
    Member
    from Cincinnati

    Anyone know if Dick Kraft is related to Charles Kraft? There's a sweet channeled 3w duece on page 227 of the 'Rod and Custom Magazine in the 50s' book (I think May '58, but not 100%) that I've been trying to get more pics and/or info on forever and the article says it belongs to Charles Kraft. Anyone?
     
  8. Ryan
    Joined: Jan 2, 1995
    Posts: 15,144

    Ryan
    ADMINISTRATOR
    from Austin, TX
    Staff Member

    Not really... it does mention the car only weighed 1600 lbs...
     
  9. williebill
    Joined: Mar 1, 2004
    Posts: 1,500

    williebill
    Member

    In the early 90's,the original was in Ron Fourniers shop for some work..A friend of mine in East Tennessee contracted Ron about building an exact copy of it..Many thousands of dollars later,it was finished,with the only difference being a full sized flathead.Almost identical in every other way,with that beautiful aluminum body...There was a small shot of it in R&C,taken while it was still in Fourniers shop.The owner of the clone and I aren't on speaking terms anymore,and I won't reveal its whereabouts.In fact,he got very pissed when Fournier allowed R&C to publish the photo,with his name and Knoxville mentioned in the writeup.Anybody who went to the Nats South during the 90s saw the car,not IN the show,but we always did the hotel crawl at night.Most had no idea what it was.
    We went to California in '95 and hung out with Dick Kraft,and his lovely wife,and his nephew...who happened to be Stan Betz..That was a very memorable trip,and Dick couldn't have been nicer..He and my ex-buddy had corresponded a lot about the original,and Dick thought it very cool that he would have the car cloned..
    I don't know where the original is now,but Ron Fournier would know..Assuming that Fournier is still around,think he had some heart trouble a few years back..So if you see the clone running around Knoxville,your eyes aren't playing tricks on you
     
  10. fiat128
    Joined: Jun 26, 2006
    Posts: 1,430

    fiat128
    Member
    from El Paso TX

  11. rustyford40
    Joined: Nov 20, 2007
    Posts: 2,171

    rustyford40
    Member
    from Mass Bay

    WOW that is art.
     
  12. Bluto
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
    Posts: 3,097

    Bluto
    Member

    Stuff is still around........ lotssa stuff you just have to work hard and get a little bit lucky.

    It does help to obsessed :cool:
     
  13. Funny quote,"...form a race car that looks almost decent adoring street trim"
    Almost decent, that's rich.
     
  14. JimA
    Joined: Apr 1, 2001
    Posts: 4,807

    JimA
    BANNED

    About a year ago we went a guys shop to look at a '32 Phaeton he had for sale. There was an old picture on the wall of him in one of those 2 cars around 1970- it had wide 5 slots and a Chevy engine. He said it was dangerously fast. It had Cal plates on it and a small plexi windshield. I've seen pictures of it around that same period in Rod & Custom (I think at an L.A. Roadster show). He didn't know where it was now. He was an old time bodyman who knew everyone and had worked with all the big names- neat guy.
     

  15. Ditto...:D
     
  16. autobilly
    Joined: May 23, 2007
    Posts: 2,910

    autobilly
    Member

    "Flawless aluninium body work hints at the master's touch", complete with scollops and full race v8-60, what a combo and state of the art in it's day. I'd love to stretch it's legs a little!
    Interesting story from Williebill too.

    Also, wouldn't want to be bent over Hans' knee, or have him touch my ass, glad I'm already a member!
     
  17. Great post Ryan. The HRM feature was Oct. '54.

    There are some pics of the car in Hot Rod History book 2.

    I searched the net a while back and these are the only 2 pics I found.
     

    Attached Files:

  18. Retrorod
    Joined: Jan 25, 2006
    Posts: 1,952

    Retrorod
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Some day someone will find that car sitting in the darkest corner of a small shop in a real out-of-the-way little burg. It will be covered in dust and probably with a crisp, old tarp pulled over it, possibly with a few neglected old parts piled on top.

    I can only hope that someone will be me, and I'll go in hock up to my chin to make the deal and take it home!
     
  19. rodncustom
    Joined: Sep 24, 2007
    Posts: 1,309

    rodncustom
    Member

  20. touchdowntodd
    Joined: Jan 15, 2005
    Posts: 4,034

    touchdowntodd
    Member

    sexier than myself naked... thats sayin a lot..
     
  21. 50Fraud
    Joined: May 6, 2001
    Posts: 6,732

    50Fraud
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    I saw one of the cars -- looked exactly like the red one in post #17 -- at the 50th Detroit Autorama. What was that, 2002? I believe it still had a 60 in it, and it was in perfect condition.

    I shot a couple of pix of it, but I can't find them.
     
  22. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Posts: 17,866

    Mr48chev
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    A beautiful car. Somewhere in the archives I have a magazine or annual with the photo article on it. It may have been in one of the stories on Dick Kraft from the early 60's.
     
  23. scruff
    Joined: Apr 11, 2004
    Posts: 253

    scruff
    Member

    The one at the 50th cobo hall was supposed to be the Kraft car that Fournier restored. I think the long time owner is from the Detroit area. Art Ingels twin was rumoured to have been blown apart in some insurance scam long ago. I sold the Tennesee clone owner a 8 grand winged tach 15 yrs ago. I was quite impressed with the lengths he went to when he replicated the car;I remember he said he had $8000 just in the rudge wire wheels.
     
  24. Ryan
    Joined: Jan 2, 1995
    Posts: 15,144

    Ryan
    ADMINISTRATOR
    from Austin, TX
    Staff Member

    Can you imagine how nervous that dude was when he dropped those wheels off at the wheel shop to be cut down to 15"?
     
  25. 50Fraud
    Joined: May 6, 2001
    Posts: 6,732

    50Fraud
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Found this on the Rod & Custom website:

    [​IMG]
     
  26. 22 track
    Joined: Mar 23, 2001
    Posts: 273

    22 track
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    The Kraft and Ingels roadsters are two of my favorites. Pat Ganahl wrote the definitive article on these two cars in the October 1992 issue of R&C Magazine. I have that article if anyone wants me to scan and send it. Ron Fournier did a metal shaping newsletter in the 90’s in which he covered the restoration of Kraft’s car as well as the recreation mentioned earlier. Norm Crum owned the Ingels car in the early 70’s when it appeared as a single photo in the March 1971 Hot Rod Magazine and the fall 1971 Street Rod quarterly. It was wrecked and only the nose remains, owned by someone in San Diego. Here is a link to the Ingels car as it was raced in the 60’s
    http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/KurtisCars.html#Holmes2
     
  27. williebill
    Joined: Mar 1, 2004
    Posts: 1,500

    williebill
    Member

    Ron Fourniers work on the clone was amazing..and yeah,the clone owner had many sleepless nights during the build.I always told him if anything ever happened to him,I would help the family out,and give his grieving widow exactly the amount she THOUGHT he'd spent on it..Hey,that's what friends are for,right? The car is damn light,absolutely stunning,and damn quick,too..Last time I talked to him,he had gathered up a bunch of V8-60 stuff,in case he ever went that route.He only had one major problem after the car was finished.The flattie that was built by MCF blew up immediately,and he had to build another one..After seeing Fourniers work,I said if I ever won the lottery,I was gonna own a clone of the Phantom Corsair,if I could get him to build it for me..
     
  28. stan292
    Joined: Dec 6, 2002
    Posts: 857

    stan292
    Member

    Thanks for digging up another great story Ryan -

    Not to get too far off track, but do all of you know that Art Ingles is credited with being the originator of the Go Kart? A very clever and talented fellow indeed.

    I assume the Dick Kraft mentioned is the fellow who built the legendary "BUG" - the little flathead machine that's recognized by many (including the NHRA) as the first "rail" dragster.

    What an amazing pair.
     
  29. JimA
    Joined: Apr 1, 2001
    Posts: 4,807

    JimA
    BANNED

    That's the one I was talking about! We went to Norm's shop!
     
  30. racer5c
    Joined: Nov 30, 2002
    Posts: 2,212

    racer5c
    Member

    Doug Caruthers was my dad. He also owned the 25 Chrisman car before it was the Chrisman car, was a member of the road runners, and at the time of his death was the winningest car owner in USAC. He had everything from lakes cars to Indy cars during his life.
     

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2013 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.