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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by FrancoKustoms, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. FrancoKustoms
    Joined: May 4, 2007
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    Does anyone know about vintage coats iron tireman manual tirechanger?

    if you have any pictures they would help. I just bought one and I dont know if I have all the parts nec. to dismount and mount tires. Or if you have extra parts you want to sell? thanx
     
  2. JeffB2
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    Post some Pics of what you have,I sold tires back in the 60's & 70's it may jog my memory.
     
  3. howco
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    I busted many a bead on one of those BB, please send a photo.
    It should have a foot operated bottom bead breaker bar on the bottom that swings 360 degrees, and a flat table. It will need to be securely bolted to the floor.
    It should have a rubber lube bottle hanging on it with a cotton brush, and a top a bead breaker attachment that slips over the top vertical stantion, this one is arm operated.. A bead tool about five feet long, to grab the bead and then you hand swing that puppy around the wheel, takes lots of back. There should be about five or six center cones or wheel adapters for different sized center holes. Have fun.....
     
  4. FrancoKustoms
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    Ok finally some pix le me know if you know how it works or what I am missing. I only got one cone for the wheels. I have the bottom and top bead breake. I got one bar it seems to be missing a peice to load on to center pole. let me know what you know about this thing. thanx
     

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  5. that looks like a midevil torture device! my uncle had one in his service station and wow what a bitch to operate.
     
  6. JeffB2
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    It looks about 95% complete from the one we had in high school autoshop back in '62,to secure the upper bead breaker from climbing the pole we got a piece of bar stock from the machine shop and put in the slot.This is stretching my memory but I think there was a curved foot that pivoted on the end of the mount bar in that bracket next to the bead roller,there were some other long bars without the roller you just used plenty of lube and a few choice words.
     
  7. howco
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    BB, it looks to be all there, just need a few more center cones, there should have been about four in all and then there was center adapters for the wide pattern ford wheels, VW wheels and early 60's Pontiac Bonneville wide pattern aluminum wheels.
    Well, you are going to get your work out....enjoy my friend.....
     
  8. RHOPPER
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    I still walk into a shop now and then that has one of those in the corner. Most shops that have them only use it for ATV tires. Worked fine back then mounting skinny bias plys on skinny wheels, using the red inflatable ring to squeeze the tire down so it would take air.
     
  9. shoprat
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    still use one occasionally, works fine. If you do 14" wheels break them and mount them from the shallow side. Don't do nice wheels on one.
     
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  11. tommy
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    The first time I used one I was sooo excited. My FIRST set of custom wheels for my 63 Catalina. I never worked in a gas station. We had the same machine in the club garage. I bought 4 used chrome wheels from a guy off of a 50 Pontiac. He bought the new Cragars that had just come out. (it looked better with chrome wheels IMHO) I cussed that damn machine. It just would not mount my tires on the fancy chrome wheels. About an hour of sweatin' and cussin' when an older guy asked... "are the tires the same size as the rims"? Duh!:eek::eek: I was trying to mount 14" tires on 15" wheels.:D I was so young and dumn it never dawned on me. Yeah it was along time ago. Some say I never got any brighter.

    It will pay for itself in no time if you swap tires and wheels like I have over the years. I no longer have access to one now or I'd have my 5 spokes mounted and setting the car off. Wheels and tires make the car.
     
  12. FrancoKustoms
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    thats funny yeah it will pay for itself in just breaking down steal wheels for rims that need tires tossed

     
  13. FrancoKustoms
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    thanxs

     
  14. FrancoKustoms
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    is yours the same model as the one I got? am I missing a peice that goes in slot of center pole?

     
  15. FrancoKustoms
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    thanx yes it has the foot operated hook. I was just wondering what went on the center pole cut out?

    thanx I will be looking for the center cones and adapters
     
  16. howco
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    Good story Tommy, made me laugh........
     
  17. a40lover
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    There is another bar that uses that slot, but Ive never used it. Ive busted a lot of tires on a machine just like yours, mount it solid and get your workout.
     
  18. a40lover
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    The piece missing on the bar is a little "leg" that helps hols the bead during dismount.
    It will work fine without it.
     
  19. Rod and Wheeler
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    GOOD OLD DAYS CHECK THE TIRES,BATTERY,CLEAN THE WINDSHIELD. ALL FOR $2.00 WORTH OF GAS Fix flats for $ 2.50 AND $ 2.25 per hr. IN WAGES.
     
  20. DSinOR
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    Hi - new member resurrecting an old thread.

    Tire prices and mount/balance prices are getting insane. Locally, it's $120+ for mount/balance with stems and disposal.

    I wanna be able to change my own because I'm cheap and I'm obstinate and I have teenage children to whom I enjoy teaching usable skills.

    I shopped online for manual tire changers. Seems like there are 2 options: find an old Coats machine, or buy a new chinese kit from Northern Tool or Amazon. Harbor Freight quit selling their model.

    Basic questions:
    The new chinese machines haves specs that say wheel sizes up to 16". Can these changers be used on a 17" wheel? What is the limiting factor?

    I read a post from an old hand who said the new changers can be used on alloy wheels without damage if you remove the paint from the working end of the tool and polish the surface for a smooth glide. What say you fellers?

    I've read where other old hands say that the art to a manual changer is getting the tire and bar situated properly and using generous lube. If everything is set right, extreme force is not needed. You agree?

    Bubble balancer still a viable option?

    Lastly - If I find an old coats or similar manual changer, will it work for 17" wheels? If I'm careful and use rags or wood pads, can an old machine be used to change a tire on a new alloy wheel without trashing the wheel?

    Thanks!
     
  21. Oh yeah. Get some practice on some junk before doing something anyone cares about. Once ya get the hang of it, it's easy!
     
  22. WQ59B
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    I have a vintage Coates just like in the OP, only difference seems to be mine has a circular base and a 'base extension' ring about 5' in diameter- really adds to the stability. When you're 'in position' to work, the ring is generally under your feet.

    Yea- it's a bit of a workout, but I still use it; I just busted down 5 tire/rims last weekend. I haven't tried larger dia wheels than 15"- I would think you might get into issues where the bead breaker might not reach the bead on something like, say, a 18" or bigger rim- don't know. But I've R&R'd 38" tires on 15" rims with it. My buddy offered it to me for free about 25 yrs ago; yep, he's since asked if I 'want to get rid of it'. ;)
     
  23. Pooch
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    I have one and I have broken down 16' and 17' rims with no problem. Some of the later model rims are too wide to mount, so we mount them upside down.
     
  24. Shaggy
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    you should be able to get it done with what you have, and you actually are lucky, that has a bottom bead breaker too, so you can pop the tire off the bead on both inside and outside without having to flip the tire, good stuff!
     

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