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Old 10-07-2013, 10:43 AM   #1
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Default Tempest 4 cylinder 4-Barrel?

A 62 Pontiac Tempest Convertible came into the local wrecking yard last week. When I looked under the hood, I found a 195 cid 4 cylinder with a 4-barrel carb and chrome valve cover. 166 HP at 4800 RPM. Cost $34.00 extra. Thought some might find this interesting.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:55 AM   #2
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It would be very interesting to play around with that one. perhaps in a "T" or an "A".
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:57 AM   #3
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if you want to see something else interesting , look at the rear end
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Damn, that is complete and there has to be some hard core Pontiac guy looking for one of those. Yes, outside of the aircleaner that appears to be the factory setup.

My roommate in trade school had a Tempest around that year with the mild 4 banger and was always tearing up those spaghetti driveshafts in the thing.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:29 AM   #5
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Yes, a rare setup. From the appearance of the carb, though, it looks like someone strapped an AVS from a '66 Chevy 327 on it. Also, that's a '67 or newer valve cover stolen from a GTO or Firebird.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:29 AM   #6
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if you want to see something else interesting , look at the rear end
Here are pics of the car. Crazy with a trans axle and auto trans. Not sure what is going on but maybe the gears have been removed? It was too muddy to take a look.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:36 AM   #7
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It looks like someone snagged the rear springs out of that one. Some of the Pontiac guys I was around Saturday would have latched on to that whole car in record time before it hit the wrecking yard. It looks pretty restorable yet.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:41 AM   #8
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I owned one in nearly that same condition, for about a year. Sold it to a local HAMBer, who in turn sold it to his neighbor. No four-barrel, but otherwise an identical car. I do not know if it's back on the road yet.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:44 AM   #9
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Back in the 70's the guy, that owned the shop I worked in, had one of those stashed aside. A buddy of his stopped by after work and talked him into pulling it into the shop with his "contractor" pickup. Planks sticking out of his truck hit the windshield and broke it. My boss was so pissed he walked around that car with his bench hammer and smashed out every other window then proceded to work out his frustrations on the body panels. It went to the scrape yard.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #10
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that is pretty neat, those pistons must be huge.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:34 PM   #11
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I remember seeing couple of those back then. As I recall they had a pretty good built in vibration.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:45 PM   #12
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that is pretty neat, those pistons must be huge.
It is, literally, half of a 389 V8. You could hop it up with one Pontiac V8 performance head and header.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:47 PM   #13
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I remember seeing couple of those back then. As I recall they had a pretty good built in vibration.
Yes, the engine mounts were made from Jell-O pudding in an attempt to keep it from transferring to the body. I had a '62 2 door for a winter car one year. Mine was an automatic with a shifter on the dashboard that looked more like a heater selector. I wonder if this one's a four speed?
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:08 PM   #14
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Yes, the engine mounts were made from Jell-O pudding in an attempt to keep it from transferring to the body. I had a '62 2 door for a winter car one year. Mine was an automatic with a shifter on the dashboard that looked more like a heater selector. I wonder if this one's a four speed?
This one is an automatic on the dash. I understand it was operated by using a cable setup. The Tempest might be restorable or maybe just for parts but it does have a good title from the 70's.
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:19 PM   #15
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I had one with the 4 speed transaxle in the mid 80s... I could chirp 2nd.
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:37 PM   #16
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Not many of those dual plane 4bbl intakes around, not to mention the throttle cable, linkage, and bracket. A freind of mine runs one of those 4 banger Pontiacs with a blower at the drags, very cool!
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:13 PM   #17
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My buddy had one with that engine and a four speed. I had a '63 with a 1 barrel and a three speed. Mine was OK but his was pretty quick. Both had 10 to 1 compression and I think he had a better cam. But that was a long time ago.Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else.
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Pontiac did offer all sorts of combinations, like 10.25:1 with a one barrel OR four barrel. One thing you've got to say for Pontiac; between this and the OHC 6, they weren't afraid to try something different.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:39 PM   #19
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That's cool, looks like the yard has some other good stuff too. Haven't been through Otley in decades, is the "Otley LuRch" sign still there? How about the house with all the mopars in the yard?
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #20
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Back in the day there was a well known engine builder, can't remember who, any way he took a 4 cyl. and sawed it in half and made a 2 cyl engine and put it in a small rail. It was quite fast.
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Mickey Thompson did that.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:57 PM   #22
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So what are you going to do with it? Scrap it or save something?


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That's cool, looks like the yard has some other good stuff too. Haven't been through Otley in decades, is the "Otley LuRch" sign still there? How about the house with all the mopars in the yard?
Hey - The Otley Lunch is long gone. Not sure when but is now home to CO-OP gas pumps. House with all the MOPARs is still there and still has cars around it. I came to this area in 1968 and they were there then. I think some might have been sold.
The yard that holds the Tempest has lots of good old stuff and it is all for sale - not saving it into rust/dust and the owner will let you look around all you want. Lots of his inventory have good titles.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:59 PM   #24
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[QUOTE=dynaflash;9278700]So what are you going to do with it? Scrap it or save something?


Not mine but it is for sale as a whole car.
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My buddy had one with that engine and a four speed. I had a '63 with a 1 barrel and a three speed. Mine was OK but his was pretty quick. Both had 10 to 1 compression and I think he had a better cam. But that was a long time ago.Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else.
Yeah, a guy I knew in high school had one and it was still a fairly new car. His had the four speed, and while no rocket, it could take most sixes and four cylinder sports cars of the day.

I don't know about a restore, that car's crying out for a 421 transplant.... LOL!
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Hey - The Otley Lunch is long gone. Not sure when but is now home to CO-OP gas pumps. House with all the MOPARs is still there and still has cars around it. I came to this area in 1968 and they were there then. I think some might have been sold.
The yard that holds the Tempest has lots of good old stuff and it is all for sale - not saving it into rust/dust and the owner will let you look around all you want. Lots of his inventory have good titles.
Wow that's good to know. Next time I'm back in the area to see family I may get the info from you and go there. I see you have a few Chevies for sale, strange question, but did I buy a hood for a Challenger from you back in the 80s?? Plum crazy with stars all over it?

Sorry to hijack the thread everybody! Here's blown Tempest 4 posted by beebing to keep us on topic!


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[QUOTE=Phillips;9278715]strange question, but did I buy a hood for a Challenger from you back in the 80s?? Plum crazy with stars all over it?

Wasn't me.

By the way, I have an old engine swap book that shows how to put a 421 in one of these. Shows it going down the strip all jacked up. I can't remember what they did with rear end. May have been one of the first Super Stockers of A/FX.
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Gary from southern Michigan.....

If you're on the Hamb, why not post pictures of your red 61 Tempest wagon. It's a 4 cyl 4bbl with automatic too.
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Whoa...that thing is pretty rad! I bet you would get a lot of people doing double takes when you lift the hood on that car.
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Some guy named thompson played around with them for a while back in the '60's, didn't he? (Mickey loved Ponchos of all kinds: V-8's, Tempest 4's, even half-Tempest 2's came out of his shop at one time or another!!)
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I believe the trans axle is an iteration of the Corvair trany and differential. The problem was the shaft between. LOL
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Yeah, a guy I knew in high school had one and it was still a fairly new car. His had the four speed, and while no rocket, it could take most sixes and four cylinder sports cars of the day.

I don't know about a restore, that car's crying out for a 421 transplant.... LOL!
I dogged an new BMW M3 on the interstate... I was in much more danger than he with my 560-15 trailer tires, drum brakes and 25 year old (at the time) steering parts. I had to run premium or it would knock, so I assume it was the 10.25:1 version... sounded like a tractor though.
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I believe the trans axle is an iteration of the Corvair trany and differential. The problem was the shaft between. LOL
Nothing wrong with the driveshaft on those cars, they actually worked quite well. Their biggest shortcoming was the swing axle rear suspension, the wheels could get seriously off camber in corners if you weren't paying attention. In 1963 they improved the design of the rear suspension, but that lasted only one year and they went to a conventional design in 1964.
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Yeah, the Pontiac Performance Manual that HRM put out in '63 has an article about how to try to combat the design flaws of the rear suspension. I must confess that I scared myself in my '62 a couple times.....somehow, I escaped rolling it.
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I bought one years ago because it had the original SD Carter 625 CFM carb (I had a buyer for the carb). Took off the 625 and replaced it with a Carter 400 which really woke up the engine.

Don't remember if anyone ever circle-track raced one of these, but the original SD carb was TOO BIG for running on the street.

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It is, literally, half of a 389 V8. You could hop it up with one Pontiac V8 performance head and header.
definitely a cool motor I'd grab and mothball. I wonder if it runs a v8 cam...using only half the lobes? Hahaha... V8 distributor with only half the wires connected!
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definitely a cool motor I'd grab and mothball. I wonder if it runs a v8 cam...using only half the lobes? Hahaha... V8 distributor with only half the wires connected!
Picture above of blown motor sure looks like V8 distributor to me ??


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Mickey Thompson was guy. He build a 4 cyl and half of 4 dry lakes car call the Attempt I & II. There both at the NHRA museum in Pomona along with the Challenger I. Mickey also back in the day ran a 4 door tempest with a 4 cyl 471 gmc blower motor, 3 speed. Car ran 13's and beat nearly everyone before they kick him out of the running in the "stock" class!!!!
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There were two distributor styles; one looked like a 4 cylinder distributor and the other looked like a V8 distributor with a cap that had every other wire tower blanked out. That'd be a good way to screw someone up....drop one of the 4 cylinder distributors in their Pontiac V8 and put the 8 cylinder cap back on it!
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definitely a cool motor I'd grab and mothball. I wonder if it runs a v8 cam...using only half the lobes? Hahaha... V8 distributor with only half the wires connected!
I've had them apart....definitely an 8 lobe cam. Same length and bearing diameter, though.....
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A close friend had a maroon 4cyl x 4bbl x 4spd Tempest in HS in 1966. Unique shifter feel with the long tube to the trans-axle. Sounded like a tractor. Another friend had a Pontiac Sprint with the 4bbl OHC six that would rev to the moon. Sound of that one gave me goose bumps. Don't see either of these much anymore. Most 16 yr old kids where I grew up didn't have the wherewithal to own a V8 back then.
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Neat car, I can imagione that will be bought up as complete. That little engine is exactly as stated, half a 389. Any hi-perf Pontiac head will fit on it.
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Those engines had a habit of eating timing chains worse than the V8. They'd wear out and flop around. Pontiac had a tensioner kit that used shoes on both sides of the chain and two coil springs to pull them together, and we did these regularly.
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definitely a cool motor I'd grab and mothball. I wonder if it runs a v8 cam...using only half the lobes? Hahaha... V8 distributor with only half the wires connected!

A V8 cam will fit in the block but, will not run because of different firing order. Tempest 4s had flat 180degree cranks. V8s had 90 degree cranks.
Many V8 parts work though- dist, lifters, rods, pistons, bearings, t chains, etc, etc. Over the decades, many have even used half of more modern V8 intakes as well. V8 header fits too.
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That was a rather fun item,...Although, in it's day , a lot of guys ignored it. Someone said that because it's half of a Poncho V8, you could use one of the V8 cams in it ? If true, half of the lobes would be dong nothing.

Has anyone heard that story ?

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Oops..... i missed the "cam" post.... Forget the question !!!

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Two guy's ran them in 32' Ford mods at Sportsman's Raceway Park, Colorado Springs, Colorado, in the mid 60's. Rules were flatheads, in-line sixes or four cylinders. They were very competitive and had a very wild exhaust sound at high rpm. One of the guys raced under a different name because he was a Colorado Springs cop. No names because thats all I remember !
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Years ago, I ran across a vendor at Carlisle that was selling a pile of parts from a Tempest four powered rail, including an Edelbrock Torker for a Pontiac V8 that had been cut in half and welded shut.
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:33 PM   #49
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My dad had a Tempest wagon with the four-banger/3 speed manual tranny in it.
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Old 10-16-2013, 04:47 PM   #50
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Those engines had a habit of eating timing chains worse than the V8. They'd wear out and flop around. Pontiac had a tensioner kit that used shoes on both sides of the chain and two coil springs to pull them together, and we did these regularly.
Yep, and finding that tensioner kit today would probably be nearly impossible. I had one of these in the mid-70s and it was hard to find then (and expensive...). Best bet these days would be a gear drive.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:46 AM   #51
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I had a '62 Lemans coupe in '82 and, even then, I had to jump through hoops to come up with brake shoes for it. It also needed rear shocks, and thank God for the guy at Carlisle that had piles of N.O.S. Delco Pleasurizers.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:47 AM   #52
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Any major issues converting this to pontiac V8, th400, 9" rear - standard drivetrain set up? Looks like a decent car and a convertible, the engine is cool but I'd sell it to someone else. Or just use it in an open hood hot rod.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:55 AM   #53
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You should go over to the Performance Years (PY) tech forums...all PONTIAC, sign up and do a search. Tons of info on that subject. Not simple and not cheap according to what I've seen on the threads.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #54
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Let us not forget the old scout 800 with the 1/2 a 345 !!!!
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Old 10-19-2013, 02:38 AM   #55
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Yep, and finding that tensioner kit today would probably be nearly impossible. I had one of these in the mid-70s and it was hard to find then (and expensive...). Best bet these days would be a gear drive.
Gear drive does not work well in these engines. If you don't believe me try it.
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:31 PM   #56
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This is taking the 195 to the extreme...

http://bangshift.com/blog/rapid-fire...ho-banger.html
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:25 PM   #57
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This is taking the 195 to the extreme...

http://bangshift.com/blog/rapid-fire...ho-banger.html
Nice article. Thanks for posting.
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:52 PM   #58
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Ahhh ... the good old Pontiac "Hay Baler". Timing a bit off they'd buck like their namesake. They can perform quite well in the right hands. Nunzi does better with them than many guys with their v-8's.

> Nunzi's 1963 4 Cylinder Super Duty Tempest <

http://youtu.be/zYkb542laiM
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:40 PM   #59
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Hey Restorit, grab the grill and valance panel off that Tempest for me will ya? Ha, ha. They look a little better than mine.
I've been dressing up one of those 4 cyl Pontiacs for display in my shop 'cause it always gets comments. (My Tempest is getting a 400, a 4 spd, and a '57-64 Pontiac rear end) I noticed the timing chain tensioner and thought it was pretty cool but I didn't know it was an add-on.
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Old 04-09-2014, 09:07 PM   #60
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bchcytbob - Sorry, you gotta buy the whole thing to get the valance and grille!

GRX - Saw the video. Nice! The engine doesn't sound like most 4 cylinders.
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