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Event Coverage WISCONSIN FENDERLESS HOT RODS & WISDOT

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Curt R, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. The ticketing of fenderless hot rods by Wisconsin State Patrol has now become a way to suspend the hot rod's registration.

    Although the tickets for no hood and fenders on the 32 Ford were dismissed by the Court on May 17, 2019 the Court indicated that continued driving of the 32 could result in more citations. The Court stated the dismissal was based on the requirement for a WSP inspection of the 32 Ford. The Court's and WSP's joint co-operation is obvious.

    The inspection has been done and the 32 failed due to no fenders, hood, bumpers, wiper, washer fluid, defroster and rearview mirror.

    The registration (license plates) were suspended and the 32 can not be driven legally on the Wisconsin roads.

    The 32 was purchased out of state. WSP did not approve of the VIN and tag as present on the 32. WISDMV will issue a Wisconsin assigned 17 digit VIN after the 32 passes the next WSP inspection.

    This is the second time WSP has used a no fender citation to force WISDMV to suspend a hot rods registration. A WSP inspection is mandatory after the registration suspension which WSP will fail the hot rod for no fenders etc.

    Wisconsin State Statute and Code states

    Trans 305.22 Fenders and projecting parts.
    (1) Every motor vehicle originally manufactured after January 1, 1950, every homemade vehicle registered after January 1, 1975, and every vehicle registered as a reconstructed vehicle after March 1, 1996 shall be equipped with adequate fenders covering the front and rear tires to prevent splashing of water and throwing of gravel, stones or other objects.

    The process used by WSP to take fenderless hot rods off the road should be questioned by our legislators. Some Wis. hot rodders have contacted their legislators urging them to find out what WSP is up to. All Wis. car enthusiasts wanting to support these efforts should contact their legislators. There will be more info on this thread about legislator contact.

    This isn't over.

    previous threads on this issus so go here for background

    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/posts/13055914/
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/bogus-fender-law-interpretation-in-wisconsin.1150331/

    Here is Brad's 32
    brads 32.jpg
     
  2. jaw22w
    Joined: Mar 2, 2013
    Posts: 780

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    from Indiana

    What a bunch of shit! You guys have to keep up the good fight. Big Brother can't be allowed to get away with this.
     
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  3. 19Fordy
    Joined: May 17, 2003
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    If you were a politician you'd be 'good to go" with no hassle.
     
  4. woodbutcher
    Joined: Apr 25, 2012
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    :( This sucks.Will be following along.Something is sure rotten,and it ain`t in Denmark.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
    Leo
     
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  5. wicarnut
    Joined: Oct 29, 2009
    Posts: 3,066

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    Total BS, Curious to see how it turns out and IMO, the Highway Patrol has plenty to do, as all other law enforcement groups rather than harass the car hobbyist. As a Wisconsin resident I will contact whomever when you post, suggest the list uses zipcode reference for proper contacts, info. Thank You for getting involved, I believe this all happened before back in 70's/80's and it was settled/agreed on at that time, the Hobbyist plate came from that I believe. Side Note, NICE 32
     
  6. Contact S.E.M.A., they have been very helpful in the past. Keep in contact with your state politicians. Remind them about your votes.
     
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  7. a boner
    Joined: Dec 25, 2004
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    To find your Wisconsin Legislator, (Senator or Representative)......"Enter your address"......Just enter your zip code!
    https://legis.wisconsin.gov
    For best results make a phone call......you will get to speak to one of their assistants. Don't bother sending an Email!
     
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  8. robracer1
    Joined: Aug 3, 2015
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    They can fail a vehicle for not having a washer bottle, that state has a chip on their shoulder. I left off cuss words because the post would be too long
     
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  9. Stogy
    Joined: Feb 10, 2007
    Posts: 12,560

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    A Dark Day in the World of Hotrod for sure...Copycat legislation is foreseeable truly saddening and I have been following this through the other threads...My full support your way fellas...and it ain't going to be easy...

    Where are the stat's to justify whats being implemented...are there broken windshields and accidents on record or is this just a non vintage vehicle closed legislation party to eliminate an era...
     
  10. vwfreek
    Joined: May 30, 2019
    Posts: 7

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    I've been following the previous threads. I don't have a hot rod, but I have 4 VW's with Hobbyist plates and one with Collector plates. Is WSP claiming the car is a homemade/reconstructed vehicle rather than street modified? It can clearly be identified as a '32 Ford, so what is the reasoning for not classifying it as street modified?

    I think there is some confusion by WSP about what requires an inspection. One of my Hobbyist vehicles is a VW trike with a homemade title, it has a MI vin, previously titled in IL stated on the title, and the previous owner had it registered in WI. So obviously it's been around for awhile. When I registered it I decided to go with Hobbyist plates. I sent in the paperwork and the DMV sent me the plates. Last fall when I went to the DMV to road test for my motorcycle endorsement, WSP was there looking at all the motorcycles. The officer couldn't understand how I got Hobbyist plates without an inspection, even though I repeatedly told him it already had a homemade title when I got it. Thankfully he let me go, but maybe the next guy won't be as nice.
     
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  11. a boner
    Joined: Dec 25, 2004
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    Wisconsin's Legislature, DMV, DOT, State Patrol, and Goveror are all on a different wavelength! If we can get this global warming thing under control, maybe the stars will once again align, and things can then snap back to a friendlier place like they once were.
     
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  12. oldcootnco
    Joined: Jun 10, 2010
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    from neenah,wi

    First and foremost, damn shame about the inspection. The 32 is gorgeous.
    I was told in a different post that 305.22 did not apply to this car. I questioned the other stats and was told I did not understand.
    Does the Wisconsin Specialty Vehicle Council or Wisconsin Car Club Alliance have a legal defense fund. The only way this will be decided is in a court of law. $$$$$$$
     
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  13. a boner
    Joined: Dec 25, 2004
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    ^^^^
    Sounds good to me.
    Anyone know who represents the above groups?
    If so, call them and get them involved......this is going to take a group effort!
     
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  14. OLDSMAN
    Joined: Jul 20, 2006
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    Contact the SEMA Action Network (SAN). This a part of SEMA that works to change bad laws concerning our old cars. Good luck, the 32 is a super looking car
     
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  15. The "Hobbyist" license plate Statute became effective June 24, 1976. All went well until 1991, due to Wisconsin State Patrol getting involved with WISDMV's "Hobbyist" license plate issuing process. 200 plus applications for "Hobbyist" plates had not been processed, some for 6 years, and vehicle titles were held at WISDMV, no title, no plates, no driving.

    To clear up that issue, our hot rod community met with WISDMV and WSP and mutually agreed to the title brand terms "replica" and "street modified" to distinguish our cars from the "homemade" and "reconstructed" brand that WSP needed for their own purposes. Those changes became effective April 1, 1994.

    In the 70's and the 90's all of our proposed requirement changes to Wis Statute and Code were reviewed by WSP with the understanding that driving fenderless hot rods would not be illegal. WSP does not honor its word.

    Thank you for your offer to help, follow this thread also for info on how to help. As we get more involved in correcting the problems I will post how people can help.

    Curt R
     
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  16. GTS225
    Joined: Jul 2, 2006
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    I'm thinking that this needs to be approached from a different angle, but it may take some time for it to develop. Business owners that see a reduction in income, due to WSP's over-reach, need to complain, en-masse, to their representatives.

    If you decide to cancel a trip to a Wisconsin event, make sure to talk to the manager of the hotel that your cancelling your reservations, and why you're cancelling. It might also be that there could be calls to local restaurants that you may have visited during your cancelled stay, letting them know that they won't be seeing the business that you could have given them. Once local business owners start griping, I'm sure somebody is going to get an earful.

    Money, or loss of it, has a way of altering people's perspective.

    Roger
     
  17. uncleandy 65
    Joined: Jan 14, 2013
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    I like what GTS225 is saying. When it hurts the businesses bilfold in that state then they will take measures to to correct the problem. I have no plans in the future to go to Wisc. and that is in my family car.
     
  18. UnkkaBobby
    Joined: Jun 17, 2019
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    Well, doesn't this just put a halt to my build. I'll be making some calls to my state officials. Truly terrible news.
     
  19. My motivation to get started on my Model A Tudor build is starting to wane. Getting too old to play the waiting game again, seems like every 20 years these games get played, which is just sad..
     
  20. Been legal for the last 40 years to run fenderless, no laws have been changed, and now we should just change everything. Stupid has nothing to do with it.
     
  21. UnkkaBobby
    Joined: Jun 17, 2019
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    I just contacted my representatives. They are looking into it and will return my call with their findings. I'll do what I can.
     
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  22. Roothawg
    Joined: Mar 14, 2001
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    Dang..............
     
  23. If you note I used a steel Model A with an original title, thus why my example does indeed get an exemption or at least should. I'll also be putting regular standard tags on it rather than hobbyist. As far as Brad's car goes, all bets are off, either way it will be a long long road ahead for him. Curt R has been with all of this for close to 50 years. I'll continue to support him and give him any help he needs. I guess this is hard to comprehend not dealing with it for over 40 years like myself.
     
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  24. jaw22w
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    from Indiana

    Is there any estimation of how many fenderless cars are registered in Wisconsin?
    Just wondering how many car owners are affected.
     
  25. 2OLD2FAST
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
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    from illinois

    And when they say it has to be green , you'll conform , and when they say 4 cyl motor , you'll conform to keep from being " stupid"
     
  26. kabinenroller
    Joined: Jan 26, 2012
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    Are sure you are a Hot Rodder? Why would you make such a stupid statement?? Real hot rods have been running sans fenders for decades ( probably before you were born)
    I think you should find another forum to frequent.
     
  27. John Stimac
    Joined: Jan 15, 2008
    Posts: 486

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    I'm following all this conversation, and I want all you Wisconsin rodders and collector car people that you have my total support and all the MOJO that I can muster up on this issue.
    I'm fortunate enough to have left the State 15 years ago and live in Heaven in Arizona when it comes to tolerance of the vehicles we all love to drive and display. Every time I read a new post, I have to pinch myself when I drive one of my heaps. My best wishes for a successful outcome. Your in great hands with the two leaders in this thread.
    Stimac 28685372_10215544383713048_2448421648441523477_n.jpg
     
  28. robracer1
    Joined: Aug 3, 2015
    Posts: 488

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    Leave Wisconsin bring your fenderless hot rods to Georgia, we have a FTF law plus don't need wipers, defrost, hoods, bumpers or washer tank and any car over 25 years all you need is a bill of sale with the year of the vehicle.
     
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  29. T&A Flathead
    Joined: Apr 28, 2007
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    I’m not sure you belong on this forum.
     
  30. knucklenutz
    Joined: Jan 4, 2009
    Posts: 57

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    P1050982.jpeg WoW ! Looks like I have a pass for the time being. '29 AV8 , original title. I wonder how long before this too will be ticket bait ?
     

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