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History Windsor vs 350sbc

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by meshach, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. synchro7
    Joined: Jul 17, 2006
    Posts: 341


    It's easy to tell a 221,260 and early 289 from a late 289, 302 and 351. Count the bellhousing bolts, 221,260 and early 289 have 5, the others have 6. Mine is an early 5 bolt 289.
  2. gimpyshotrods
    Joined: May 20, 2009
    Posts: 18,331


    $750, with a transmission and axle. Unload both for $150, and you have a $450 Y-Block.
  3. You don't even have to do that; the five bolt uses 3/8-16 bolts to hold the bellhousing on, the six bolt uses 7/17-14. The five bolt needs a 9/16" wrench, six bolt is 5/8"....
  4. KKrod
    Joined: Jun 20, 2010
    Posts: 1,190


    the sbf was a popular engine in late 60's through 1980 in ford street rods.
  5. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 20,523

    from Michigan

    I can....
    Because I put one together for my o/t fox car... It almost looks like a monster under the hood...:eek::rolleyes:
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  6. Adran
    Joined: Apr 1, 2010
    Posts: 46


    Kinda weird how the SBF developed over time. They were already putting the 260 in Cobras in the early '60s, so even back then they knew it had some performance potential. Interesting how it was eclipsed by the FE, 385 and Cleveland during the muscle car years, yet managed to outlast all of them in the end. There were always performance versions of the SBF at any given time, but factory heads from that early era were real turds, so it probably discouraged a lot of people from building them.
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  7. southcross2631
    Joined: Jan 20, 2013
    Posts: 4,414


    I use the Windsor because it is narrower and the dist is in the front in my Morris
    Minor builds. I use small block Chevies in anything they will fit in. I use big blocks when someone wants a lot of torque or the wow factor when they open the hood.
    I have a line on 2 nailheads. Would like to have one in a front engine dragster.
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  8. simpsonrl
    Joined: Aug 31, 2017
    Posts: 79


    Ain't that the Truth!

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  9. Ford in a Ford?.....what a novel concept!
    Over the years, I've seen a sbc put in EVERYTHING.....I understand about "affordability", but when was the last time you saw a Ford motor in a Chevy
    or any other make as far as that goes
    Guess I'm more Old school and brand loyal....yet it's great to see a rod or even a GM product with a Buick, Olds, Cad or even a Pontiac motor between the rails
    Nothing wrong with "Not" following the unique and different in your own way.....

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  10. Runnin shine
    Joined: Apr 12, 2013
    Posts: 3,310

    Runnin shine

    Last night coincidentally, my closest car buddy offered me his left over 355 motor(went 9.90s) from his last mustang he sold with a 431 he’s going with a 540bbc he has laying around with twin turbos in his 65 Chevelle.
    I turned him down, mans gotta have principles you know

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  11. S10_37
    Joined: Jan 4, 2009
    Posts: 69


    Found out that my 351w and AOD cost more for parts and for some reason people are reluctant to post there stash of parts

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  12. topher5150
    Joined: Feb 10, 2017
    Posts: 2,460


    I'm going to use a Ford for a few reasons
    1. I only ever worked on Fords
    2. SBC has become a cliché
    3. I thought it would be kind of cool to make a car like my dad was going to make, all Ford.
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  13. Drew Link
    Joined: Jun 28, 2016
    Posts: 27

    Drew Link

    I think using an engine "family" can be traditional. As was said before, the Windsor engine was brought about in the early 60's. Heck I am using an FE (390) in my T, that family started in the 50's but was in production until 76 does that mean it isn't traditional? I say run what you bring! It's a hot rod, a smashing of parts that originally didn't go together which equals a whole bunch of fun!

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  14. Well one day after I finish my 53 I will build a coupe and slap a flathead in it, who knows hit the lottery and drop 30K+ on a Ardun head build. If I built a 30s chevy, Hudson, dodge, etc I would put a Ford flathead in it. 30s Ford coupes demand a premium especially 32-34 but the others seem to be priced within out atmosphere. Model As are always a choice as well.
  15. A Hudson build with a Ford 300 would be pretty awesome in my opinion as well especially considering the history of the engine
  16. coilover
    Joined: Apr 19, 2007
    Posts: 658

    from Texas

    My 55 Chevy 2dr post had a 427 FE engine, my 34 Ford Cabriolet has a 402 Raush, 27 T has a 406 three carb FE, and my 34 Chevy 5w Master Coupe has an 2003 Mercury Marauder 4.6 dohc. The only sbc is in our 1941 Ross fork lift, I guess it's traditional.
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  17. wow I would like to see pictures of the 55 chevy, that has to stir the pot a bit lol
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  18. RmK57
    Joined: Dec 31, 2008
    Posts: 1,766


    I'd like to see the expressions on peoples faces when you pop the hood at an all chevy car show!
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  19. 1946caddy
    Joined: Dec 18, 2013
    Posts: 1,745

    from washington

    Carrol Shelby used the 260 Ford engine in the first Cobra's because he couldn't work a deal out with Chevrolet for their engines. Chevrolet didn't want the competition for their Corvette.
  20. jimmy six
    Joined: Mar 21, 2006
    Posts: 9,461

    jimmy six

    I think it's a good idea if your putting it in a tri 5 Chevy.
  21. lippy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2006
    Posts: 5,551

    from Ks

    What was the question again?:D
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  22. If you are afraid to go fast, use the SBC. If you have big balls, go FORD!
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  23. Engine man
    Joined: Jan 30, 2011
    Posts: 3,476

    Engine man
    from Wisconsin

    A local Ford guy in the 70s built a Windsor for his dirt track car. He used a 351 block and crankshaft. Offset ground the crankshaft to increase the stroke. He used 348 Chevy rods narrowed to fit the journals. 350 Chevy pistons. He put Chevy 202 valves in the heads and made his own fly cutter to cut valve reliefs in the pistons.

    He said he found out that the way to make a Ford fast was to put enough Chevy parts in it. Then he switched to Chevy engines in his race cars.
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  24. SHOTS FIRED lol
    While I’m currently partial to the blue oval (it’s what I own) seems as though the engine builders I talk to now a days have said just tell me where you want the distributor lol. They almost all start with dart blocks and then after market internals your choice and heads likewise.
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  25. Weird in the 70s there were plenty of performance options for Fords such as Cleveland or Clevor builds.
  26. Boneyard51
    Joined: Dec 10, 2017
    Posts: 5,025


    I think a guy should do whatever he thinks is best for him, what he likes, has, fits,or can afford. That being said, looking at a primo early Ford, seeing a Windsor or an FE in the engine compartment always puts a smile on my face. Bones
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  27. Adran
    Joined: Apr 1, 2010
    Posts: 46


    That makes a lot of sense. It had weight on its side, but was down on cubic inches and the Chevy was a proven performer by then. It wouldn't likely have been any racer's #1 choice at the time.
  28. LM14
    Joined: Dec 18, 2009
    Posts: 1,937

    Member Emeritus
    from Iowa

    Ive raced for 25 years with 351W, Clevors, G351 blocks, Ernie Elliot top end kits etc. Anyone that says it costs more to build a Ford hasn’t done it. Had a Y block laid back for my ‘32 project but decided it was too heavy and too hard to get parts for out on the road. Switched my plan to a 302 roller engine. Will look old but be new inside with commonly available parts.

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  29. spiffy1937
    Joined: Apr 9, 2006
    Posts: 732

    from Florida

    And in Morris Vans. lol New 289/271 HP. Started building it in '65.

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