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  1. oldskool55
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  2. vicsinner
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  3. coupe5w36
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    Wow. That is one awesome looking flatmotor. Does anyone know about those twin-plug heads? Are they Kong or something else?
     
  4. FiddyFour
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    they look like oneoff solid billet pieces,,, i never seen anything like em, but i kinda like the dual plug idea... puts the heat of the spark right over the combustion chamber.... *shrug*
     

  5. Flat Ernie
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    They look kinda like some of the dual-plug heads Kong Jackson used to make...

    :cool:
     
  6. Dat Dirty Rat
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    They look alot like the Kong heads but i'm not sure about them ever having dual plugs? That thing is sick looking and prob screws...I wish there was a sound clip of it.....I think its kool...

    Dirty
     
  7. tred
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    yeah, kong jackson.



    anyone care to give us their estimate on how much horsepower this thing pumps out???
    please.


    tred.
     
  8. Merlin
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    Damn thats an awsome lookin flatty! Wonder what the reserve is?
     
  9. Henry Floored
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    Let's see 324 cubes with some pretty radical mods. If this combo works I'd say 285-290 hp on gasoline (I could be way off). There is alot of work in that engine. Look at the modified oil pan and that great big main cap support. Looks like an sbc vibration dampner on the front. A 180 degree crank inside, this thing is radical, I'd love to hear it run.
     
  10. Flat Ernie
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    With that crank it'll prolly sound more like an inline 6 than a flat 8:eek:

    They don't quite sound the same with those 180 cranks...
     
  11. Henry Floored
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    Joe Amato ran a top fuel nitro hemi with a 180 degree crank during winter testing in Bradenton Fla some years back. The thing sounded like a swarm of angry bumble bees X 10. Guess it did'nt work so good 'cause I've never seen one since. That or it has been outlawed.
     
  12. Gasserfreak
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    My only disapointment(not that I was gonna buy it) was that they filled the water passages with hard block, never could go into a street car. now if I only had a ancient FED to put it into:D

    Drew
     
  13. Now thats a flathead! I've never liked the performance of a flatmotor. yes they are a great looking engines, but have about as much power as my lawnmower.

    I have some friends that have invested huge amounts of money to get 200 hp out of a flathead. Thats fine if thats what they want. And they usually look great also.

    I'd have to say that motor is closer the 300 hp range. But still a far cry for what you would get with the money invested that engine compared any OHV engine.
     
  14. RocketDaemon
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  15. Henry Floored
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    This engine has huge bores (by Flathead standards) 3 7/16". I've always been interested in trying a different approach to Flathead bulding. In a race only engine I'd like to try the biggest possible bore with a sleeve if neccesary 3 7/16" or 3 1/2" and an ultra short stroke like 3'" or 3 1/4". I think the Flathead Ford's intake ports are well designed and positioned, albeit limited by the fact that they are next to the cylinder instead of above it. They look to me like they can be made to support higher engine speeds than they are normally asked to do in a typical long stroke combination. Also the 7" c to c connecting rods need to be looked at. Piston accelleration with a shorter rod just after tdc is greater than that of a longer rod. What this will do (I think) is initiate a stronger "vacumn signal" sooner just as the intake valve is opening. In a Flathead the more breathing you can induce at low valve lift points the better off you are because they are limited somewhat in this area. Somewhere in this scenario I think a better balance of breathing and compression ratio can be found. I have a sneaking suspicion that Kenny Kloth's 150 mph Merc might employ some radical ideas such as these. Barney Navarro's record setting roadters had a big bore/short stroke and supercharged Flathead. I'll bet he was after the best possible cylinder filling he could get and then multiplying that result by a greater number of rpms to acheive his record setting result.

    Sorry if I sound like a dodo head by rambling. Figure if I'm wrong someone will tell me why and I'll save the time and money of trying it someday.
     
  16. Henry Floored
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    Yes I agree that a Flathead can't compare in an outwright hp war with a well designed ohv engine. That's not the point really, it's more about how much can we wring out of this well designed "antique" engine. That's the challenge.
     
  17. BORED
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  18. squigy
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    Holy crap!!!!
     
  19. Bondoboy
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    Wow, it runs on pancakes. It says "Block and pan modified to run a king type GRIDDLE". Heheh. And this dudes gonna build engines?
     
  20. Maybe it's just the pictures,but the lower spark plugs look a little "funny".
    How are you supposed to get a socket on them,
    since the counter bore is so small ? :confused:
     
  21. 296 V8
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    (Beware) He’s a nice guy, but can be a little less than forthcoming with details. He’s mainly is a wheeler dealer. I doubt he has any first hand knowledge on the thing. But I could be mistaken.
     
  22. InjectorTim
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  23. oldskool55
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    yeah i ment 2 ill fix that....
     
  24. Missouri_Mike
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    Actually, per Ryan, that rule only stands in the classifieds section....

    And yeah, that's a wicked looking flat motor. It'd be nice to see someone like one of our more creative HAMBer's end up with it, just to see what it would go into!!
     
  25. fab32
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    If someone here buys it I'm hoping they put it in something that's flat black and has red wheels. it's about time a REAL hot rod got some decent power.:rolleyes:


    Frank
     
  26. fullhouse296
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    He wants 8grand Australian , the block is filled .the heads are KONG and is said to be one of Jacksons old engines .The idea behind twin plugs is that flatmotors love advance and lots of it ,cause the flame is ten feet from where its gonna be doing work,flame travel /time ,stuff like that .side by side is another valid and proven way to limit the advance grenade thing .
     
  27. manyolcars
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    hey fullhouse, that was 4 years ago
     
  28. dante81_98
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    thats one hell of a thread dig
     
  29. I had seen/saved some pix that I saw of this engine some 5 years ago - it IS the same engine.

    The pix were in the US - now its ended up here Down under and is being on-sold again. Not thast theres anything wrong with that of course.

    Interesting indeed....

    Rat
     
  30. fullhouse296
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    And the problem is ...?
     

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