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Technical Why do I keep blowing 30 amp fuses??

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by seadog, May 19, 2019.

  1. Recently I’ve blown 4 30 amp fuses in quick succession. Need your thoughts on what to check next.

    Here’s the background. Deuce Roadster with an American Autowire 15 circuit wiring kit. Wired by me and everything worked as it should till about a month ago when one of the “accessory” circuits started blowing 30 amp fuses. This circuit supplies power to a cigarette plug charger receptacle between the seats. I use it to power a phone and that’s all.

    About a month ago I noticed the phone wasn’t charging, checked and found the fuse was blown. Replaced fuse...drove the car for a while...phone stopped charging...fuse blown...you get the picture.

    Yesterday, driving back from Steel In Motion, I hit the mother of all railroad crossings. The car bottomed out and stalled. I restarted, cussed a bit, and noticed the phone wasn’t charging. When I got home I checked and the fuse was blown.

    Anybody have any suggestions/thoughts on what’s going on. I always thought that a power surge was the cause of a blown fuse, but I don’t think the phone charger would have that much of a draw. I’ve heard bad things about China accessory chargers. Maybe I should just start by replacing the charger?
     
  2. Doublepumper
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    I'd start by tracing the wiring from the power port back to the fuse panel. Sounds like you have a power wire shorting out to ground somewhere.
     
  3. Boneyard51
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    Because you are getting 31 amps or more!!! No just kidding, when you hit the tracks something shorted out. That is something touched something it shouldn’t.



    Bones
     
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  4. Dick Stevens
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    That circuit has a short in it somewhere, as has been stated you need to trace the wiring the full distance it runs or the cigarette lighter socket itself could be shoring out!
     
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  5. spanners
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    30 amp fuse in a cicarette lighter socket sounds excessive to start with to me. If your 'phone charger had a hiccup it would melt before the fuse blew.
    It sounds like a dead short, possibly caught under the seat riser and when you saddle up for a drive it's pinching it.
     
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  6. noboD
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    Contact 37Kid on here, he's a master at electricity.
     
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  7. TrailerTrashToo
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    Also, I have had the cigarette lighter receptacle short out internally. The cigarette lighter receptacle would only short out when something was plugged into it. Going to to take some troubleshooting using a multi-meter to check resistance to ground.

    In order of probability:

    1. Wire from fuse panel grounded to metal (insulation rubbed off) - disconnect the hot wire (+12 Volts) from cigarette lighter receptacle - if you keep blowing 30 Amp fuses - the wire is shorted to metal (ground) somewhere
    2. Internal failure of the cigarette lighter receptacle
    3. Internal failure of the phone charger
     
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  8. Mr48chev
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    I'd have to believe that you answered your own question when you said it blew the fuse when you went over the bump. Loose connection or a wire with a bare spot that shorts out at times. If you don't use it for a lighter you don't need or want that heavy of fuse. Phones draw way under 5 amps to charge them at least on mine.

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  9. Truck64
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    Cigar lighter receptacle (charging port or whatever it's called these days) shorting to hot would be the first thing to look at. Bypass it, remove it, see if it goes away.
     
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  10. Tom, I have the same wiring kit and we also use a 30 amp fuse for the Garman and phone, I haven't experienced any problems.

    I'm just spitballing but you may just have a bad lighter port or a loose connection. HRP
     
  11. Dangerous Dan
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    You don't have a short, you have a long LOL
     
  12. zzford
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    I would disconnect the charging port at the port itself, first. If it still kills the fuse, start chasing it from there.
     
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  13. Mike Colemire
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    I used to replace several lighter assy in fords, something about the phone chargers they use or the way they jerked them out would screw them up and they'd blow a fuse.
     
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  14. 29moonshine
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    disconnect the wire from the port if it still blows it in the wire if not in is the port
     
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  15. Brand Apart
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    Yeah disconnect the wire and let the terminal flop around behind your dash I'm sure that won't hit anything metal and short out. Sarcasm here.

    sorry not much help I can offer that hasn't been said already
     
  16. BamaMav
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    If you’re just using it for charging a phone or the like and not using an actual cig lighter, replace it with a charge port. They are made different with solid walls where the lighter sockets are split and springy to hold the lighter elements in until they get hot enough to jump out. The smooth wall in the charge port doesn’t grab the side connectors on the plugs like a lighter socket does, and is not as likely to get bent and short out.
     
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  17. squirrel
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    take the lighter socket out and look at it, both ends, you'll probably see where it arc'd when it blew the fuse.
     
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  18. 31 Chopped Coupe
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    I had the same issue, it turned out to be the lighter socket.
     
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  19. H380
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    Found a penny flat in the bottom of a cigarette lighter hole once
     
  20. It has been said above but check the socket carefully. I had the exact situation on an OT car. I found corrosion inside the socket. I unplugged it, replaced the fuse and all OK. The fix was to replace the plug assembly.
     
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  21. thecj3man
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    I put a new lighter plug in my 55 last winter that has the fuse about 4” from the termination on the plug. For some reason my Garmin blows the fuse, almost always upon unplugging it. I am starting to think it is something with the 12V power supply instead of the car wiring.
     
  22. Phone chargers are usually 2.1 A. Disconnect power port, then wiggle wire or test drive. It's most likely the lighter socket, but it can be the wire leading to it. I also use a usb power port (better then the lighter port and less chance for something to fall in).

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  23. Ziggster
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    As others have said, 30A fuse for a circuit dedicated for a cigarette lighter is too much. Fuses are meant to prevent wires from melting, and therefore the wires in the circuit should be rated accordingly. I have a 1/2 Hp electrically powered air compressor on my truck rated at 30A and it has a dedicated breaker. It likely is the adapter itself or check for wires where they pass through the firewall. Lots of electrical issues can be traced to wires that wear as they pass through metal and also melt due to heat from the engine.
     
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  24. XXL__
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    That is WAY too much fuse.

    Garmin specs either a 1A or 2A fuse, depending on model. A 36 watt phone charger (read as-- an unusually large one, capable of fast-charging 2 devices at once) uses a 5A fuse (36W/12V=3A actual draw... with another 2A overhead). If you run both the Garmin and a very large charger at the same time, you're at 7A with full overhead.

    As an example, typical 60's through 80's GM vehicle, which had cigarette lighter, clock, dome lamp, and cargo lamp all on the same circuit... was only a 20A fuse... and they engineered for the possibility that you'd have all of those on at the same time.

    /2 cents
     
  25. ^^^^^ A dead short don't care.
     
  26. XXL__
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    Of course, but the more common failure mode is less drastic, which is why manufacturers use different size fuses for different circuits... instead of just slapping 30's in everything . The OP likely has a dead short. My previous post was to @HOTRODPRIMER and his setup.
     
  27. Aftermarket and OEM are not the same thing.
     
  28. XXL__
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    What does this even mean? P=IV is universal.
     
  29. reefer
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    Have a look at the blown fuse... if it’s just got a little blob/ break in the wire it is usually overload where the wire has got to melting point and parted, if it is blown to smithereens it’s a dead short usually, the sudden surge just blows it to bits.
    Might help narrow it down.
     
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