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who used Budd bodies?

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  1. timmy t
    Joined: Mar 16, 2008
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    timmy t

    Went junk hunting yesterday and came upon a 20's era cabrolet. Didnt have a camara to take any shots of it but on the fire wall it had a Budd body tag. I think it said full vision all steel budd body. anybody know what brand it would be? I think Dodge used budd bodies but the pictures I googled didnt look like a Dodge.
  2. krooser
    Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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    Chrysler products used Budd bodies for many years...
  3. ems customer service
    Joined: Nov 15, 2006
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    ems customer service

    dodge , ford, chrysler, and many orphan makes budd also made componets for oem and made the cabs for many ultility company truck into the 90's
  4. ems customer service
    Joined: Nov 15, 2006
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    ems customer service

    try this for a very long explaination of the budd company

    The Budd company logo on the builder's plate in a Metro North M-3 railcar.
    The Budd Company (now ThyssenKrupp Budd) is a metal fabricator and major supplier of body components to the automobile industry. The company's headquarters are in Troy, Michigan. It was founded in 1912 by Edward G. Budd, whose fame came from his company's invention of the 'shotweld' technique for joining pieces of stainless steel without damaging its anti-corrosion properties.
    1 An automotive pioneer
    2 A railroad legend
    3 Train in one car
    4 Almond Joys
    5 Transportation innovations
    5.1 Aviation
    5.2 Automobiles
    6 Final years
    6.1 TransitAmerica
    7 Preservation
    7.1 Pennsylvania
    7.2 Illinois
    7.3 California
    8 See also
    9 References
    [edit]An automotive pioneer

    In 1916, Budd built one of the first steel car bodies, for Dodge.[1] They held an interest in Pressed Steel Company (Cowley, England), which built bodies for Morris Motors, and Ambi-Budd (Germany), which supplied Adler, Audi, BMW, NAG and Wanderer; and earned royalties from Bliss (who built bodies for Citroën and Ford of Britain, Dagenham, England).[2] The Budd Company also created the first "safety" two-piece truck wheel, used extensively in World War II, and also built truck cargo bodies for the U.S. military.
    In 1940, Budd developed the now-ubiquitous "unibody" method of assembling vehicles, first used by Nash Motors. In the mid-1980s, Budd's Plastics Division introduced sheet moulding compound, a reinforced plastic in sheet form, suitable for stamping out body panels in much the same way, and as quickly, as sheet metal equivalents are made.
    In 1978, as Budd began to phase out its railcar business to concentrate on the automotive industry, it was acquired by Thyssen AG,[3] becoming its automotive division, Thyssen Automotive in Europe and Budd Thyssen Company in North America.[4] When Thyssen merged with Krupp in 1999, Budd Thyssen became ThyssenKrupp Budd Co. in North America and ThyssenKrupp Automotive Systems GmbH in Europe. Late in 2006, its body and chassis operations were sold to Martinrea International Inc.[5]
    [edit]A railroad legend

    The first Budd passenger railcar, the Lafayette, in 1932.
    From the 1930s until 1989 the Budd Company was a leading manufacturer of stainless steel streamlined passenger rolling stock for a number of railroads. After briefly dabbling with French Michelin rubber-tired technology, they built the Pioneer Zephyr for the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad in 1934, and hundreds of streamlined lightweight stainless steel passenger cars for new trains in the USA in the 1930s and 1940s. In 1949, Budd built ten prototype stainless steel R11 subway cars for the New York Board of Transportation[6]; these were intended for the Second Avenue Subway[7]. In the 1950s Budd built a set of two-story or high-level cars for the Santa Fe's El Capitan and Super Chief passenger trains, which became the prototypes for the Amtrak Superliner cars of the 1980s. Budd also built two-story gallery passenger cars for Chicago-area commuter service on the Milwaukee Road, Burlington Route, and Rock Island lines during the 1960s and 1970s; most of these cars are still in service on today's Metra routes. Stainless steel Budd cars originally built for the Canadian Pacific Railway's 1955 train The Canadian are still in service with Via Rail Canada. Since 1951 two formations of 6 Budd cars operated by Ferrobaires, run a weekly service called "El Marplatense" from Buenos Aires to the ocean-side city of Mar del Plata in Buenos Aires Province, Argentina, the cars were originally built for the Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad. Budd-patented processes and designs were also used in France and Belgium after World War II to construct SNCF electric-powered multiple-unit cars, push-pull suburban trainsets, Wagons-Lits [CIWL] sleeping cars and even a small class of SNCF and SNCB four-current six-axle high speed electric locomotives for Trans Europ Express service between Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam.
    [edit]Train in one car

    A Budd M1 train on the Long Island Rail Road.
    In 1949, Budd introduced the Rail Diesel Car or RDC, a stainless steel self-propelled 'train in one car' which expanded rail service on lightly populated railway lines and provided an adaptable car for suburban commuter service. More than 300 RDCs were built, and some are still in service in Canada, the USA and Australia and Saudi Arabia. In the 1960s, Budd built the Pioneer III electric m.u. coach for intercity travel. Six were bought by the former Pennsylvania Railroad, but in 1966, these were replaced with the "Silverliner II" cars, which used an improved Pioneer III body for Philadelphia-area commuter rail service on the PRR and Reading Company lines. Budd was contracted to build the original Metroliner m.u. coaches for service on the Northeast Corridor, but these have been either retired or de-powered and used as cab cars. The "Silverliner II" cars, now slated to be retired starting in 2010 with the new ROTEM-built "Silverliner V" models, have a top speed of 90 mph (140 km/h), but ran at up to 100 mph (160 km/h) when the PRR used them for Philadelphia-Harrisburg service. The Metroliner m.u. cars operated at 110 to 125 mph (201 km/h), although breakdowns in the system led Amtrak to derate them to 90 mph (140 km/h), despite the advertised speed of 150 mph (240 km/h) achieved by Amtrak's TGV-based Acela service. Since their retirement from regular service, Amtrak has used the Metroliner m.u. coaches as cab-coaches on various services.
    [edit]Almond Joys

    In the center is Amtrak Amfleet traincar 20138, built by Budd Company.
    In 1960, Budd manufactured the first stainless steel production subway cars for Philadelphia's Market-Frankford Line. Two hundred and seventy M-3 cars were jointly owned by the City of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Transportation Company (now Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority). These cars were nicknamed "Almond Joys" because the four hump-shaped ventilators on the roof evoked the Almond Joy candy bar.
    There were 46 single units and 112 "married" pairs. The pairs were a "mixed marriage" because the odd-numbered car came with General Electric motors and equipment and was permanently coupled to the even-numbered car, which had Westinghouse motors and equipment.
    These cars were replaced with more modern, air-conditioned M-4 units in 1997-99 and some cars were transferred to the Norristown High Speed Line. The cars had to be re-trucked because the Norristown line is standard gauge (4' 8½") while the Market-Frankford line is broad gauge (5' 2½").
    [edit]Transportation innovations


    Budd BB-1 Pioneer in front of the Franklin Institute
    In 1930, the company made its first foray into the aviation industry by signing contracts to manufacture aircraft wheels and stainless steel wing ribs. Enea Bossi joined the company as the head of stainless steel research to supervise the design and construction of the 4-seat biplane amphibian aircraft Budd BB-1 Pioneer. It was the first aircraft with a structure built out of stainless steel [8]. This was the first aircraft for the Budd Company, and it made its first flight in 1931 [9]. Built under Restricted License NR749,[10] its design utilized concepts developed for the Savoia-Marchetti S-31 and was powered by a single 210 horsepower (160 kW) Kinner C-5 five-cylinder radial engine.[11]
    The stainless steel construction process for the BB-1 was patented in 1942.[12] At the time, stainless steel was not considered practical; and only one BB-1 was built. It logged about 1,000 flying hours while touring the United States and Europe. In 1934, this plane was stripped of its fabric covering and its lower wing, and was mounted outside the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, where it remains to this day as the longest continuous display of any airplane.[10] The plane has been memorialized in the children’s book Spirited Philadelphia Adventure by Deirdre Cimino.[13][14]
    During World War II, Budd designed and built the RB-1 transport airplane for the U.S. Navy using much stainless steel in place of aluminum. Only 25 were built but, after the war, 14 aircraft found their way to the fledgling Flying Tiger Line and provided a good start for that company.
    In 1962, Budd produced a fully functional concept car, the XR-400, for evaluation by American Motors Corporation (AMC). It was designed to use AMC's existing chassis for the sporty-model market segment before the introduction of the Ford Mustang. The proposed car did not enter production.
    There is an irony to the XR-400 story. Budd tried to sell the idea to Ford first. In 1961 Budd combined a 1957 Ford Thunderbird body with a 1961 Ford Falcon chassis to produce a sporty convertible. When Ford turned them down, Budd shifted focus to AMC. Ford went on to base the Mustang on the Falcon chassis.[citation needed]
    In 1966, Budd designed and manufactured a front disc brake system for Chrysler and Imperial automobiles, used for the 1967 and 1968 model years.
    [edit]Final years

    A Budd-built Baltimore Metro Subway train

    A Budd train built by Mafersa in São Paulo Metro Subway
    Budd built two series of "L" cars for the Chicago Transit Authority, the 2200s (1969-1970). and the 2600s (1981–1987). Budd also built New York City Subway R32 (1964-1965), the first PATCO Speedline cars (1968), Long Island Rail Road/Metro-North Railroad M-1/M-3 (1968–1973,1984-1986) and M-2 (1972-1977), SEPTA Silverliner II (1963), NJ Transit Arrow II (1974-1975), and NJ Transit Arrow III (1978). The Baltimore Metro and Miami Metrorail cars (1983) were also built by Budd.
    Amtrak's 492 Amfleet I and 150 Amfleet II cars were built by Budd in 1975-77 and 1981-83. The Amfleet body was recycled for usage in the SPV2000, a modernized diesel passenger car which was very problematic, saw only three buyers (Amtrak, Metro-North and Connecticut Department of Transportation), and saw premature retirements within 15 years. The fallout from the SPV2000 furthered the company's decline.
    In the early 1980s, Budd reorganized its rail operations under the name TransitAmerica, this name appearing on the builderplates of the Baltimore/Miami cars and Chicago's later order of 2600-series cars (but not the LIRR/MNCR M-3s). The new name did not save the company, and in April 1987 Budd ended all railcar production at its Red Lion plant in Northeast Philadelphia and sold its rail designs to Bombardier Transportation. Many of its engineers joined the staff of the Philadelphia office of Louis T. Klauder and Associates, a local railway vehicles and systems engineering consulting firm.

    Numerous Budd built railcars are preserved, either by museums or private owners, many of whom run them in charter service. Their quality of construction and elegant design have made them highly prized.
    The Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania has a number of Budd-built cars in its collection in Strasburg, Pennsylvania: The 1937 observation car built for the Reading Company "Crusader", Lehigh Valley Railroad rail diesel car of 1951, a pair of 1958 "Pioneer III" cars for the Pennsylvania Railroad, and Pennsylvania Railroad 860, a Metroliner cafe-coach built in 1968.
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  5. timmy t
    Joined: Mar 16, 2008
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    timmy t

    Holy crap!!! I know this is a car and not a train car. I've googled Dodge,Plymouth, Chrysyer,Nash and it itnt any of these
  6. timmy t
    Joined: Mar 16, 2008
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    timmy t

    any ideas??Does any of your cars have a Budd body tag?
  7. Dodge used Budd- we've got a '28 Victory 6.
  8. 39 All Ford
    Joined: Sep 15, 2008
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    39 All Ford
    from Benton AR

    Ford used Budd, Murray, and Briggs..

  9. carcrazyjohn
    Joined: Apr 16, 2008
    Posts: 4,844

    from trevose pa

    Budd Made the dies for andres citroen .No not the futuristic looking ones.The traction up to 55 .These resemble 34 fords.My dad has a 34 ford and about seven citroens,Some are parts . He thought it would be cool.There part of pennsylvania history. Check this out ,his 1937 unibody has ,rack and pinion,front wheel drive. Thought it was a new idea, Think again.
  10. My 1931 Durant has Budd body tags on the inside of the doors
  11. HotRodWillys
    Joined: Dec 14, 2007
    Posts: 864

    from California

    An old timer told me that Budd actually made the 32 3 window body for Ford. Anyone else here of that?
  12. David Totten
    Joined: Nov 21, 2005
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    David Totten

    Packard used Budd on some bodies
  13. martin
    Joined: Jul 19, 2005
    Posts: 198


    My 29 Dodge has a " All Steel " body, made by Budd. out of PH.
  14. You can also go to and get LOTS of info on diff companies!
  15. Foul
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  16. rustyford40
    Joined: Nov 20, 2007
    Posts: 2,168

    from Mass Bay

    At the top 100 show in Boston, I was talking ti the owner of a 55 t-bird that had a rumble seat. He told my that Budd made that body.
  17. BeatnikPirate
    Joined: May 21, 2006
    Posts: 1,416

    from Media, Pa.

    Here's a great website artical about the Budd Co.

    What prompted my interest in Budd and my reason for reviving this old thread was an artical in the new issue of Hemmings Classic Car about a Budd-built ALL STEEL Model A sedan found in a South Carolina junk yard.
    It was built by the Budd Co. for Ford and differed from any other Model A you've ever seen, featuring all steel body stampings, longitudinal springs, differently styled rad shell, Dodge style hood sides, lower height, etc. Only 4 were built. Only one still exists.
    Check out the mag if you get a chance.
  18. 31Apickup
    Joined: Nov 8, 2005
    Posts: 1,794


    Budd built the Late 31 Ford all steel roof pick-up cabs. The first Ford s to have an all steel rrof. They still used some wood in the cab.
  19. They might have also built bodies for Essex cars. Seems I saw one once....
  20. Going to revive this thread...A fellow on another board has this and is having a difficult time id'ing it...I thought mid 20's Mopar but body lines and firewall are wrong. Doors look like Essex but open the wrong way. Could it be a Star/Durant? Anyone have any wisdom???

  21. Hot Rods Ta Hell
    Joined: Apr 20, 2008
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    Hot Rods Ta Hell

  22. cornfield county
    Joined: Feb 10, 2007
    Posts: 96

    cornfield county
    from Indiana

    My 1929 REO Flying Cloud has a Budd all steel body.

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