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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by NATHANIEL ROWLES, May 25, 2018.

  1. nrowles
    Joined: May 25, 2018
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    Hello all. New to the forums here. Thanks for having me.

    I've negotiated the acquisition of a 1953-1955 International R-112 truck from my great grandmother's farm. Now I just need to get a day where both my uncle and I can get together for me to bring it home. This truck has sat for the past 35 years so it is going to be quite a project and a restoration of this magnitude is all new to me. I'm not quite sure yet if I want to keep it as original as possible or if I want to Rod it. It is hard to find detailed info and specs on these trucks. In its day, I believe this would have been considered a smaller farm truck so I think it should be built pretty heavy. The R-112 is a heavier built version of the R-110. Heavier suspension with 1200 lbs more GVWR, 4 speed, etc. 220 ci 6 cyliner with ~100 hp.

    Let's assume this truck was roadworthy and currently driven (it is not).

    What components would need to be replaced to put a built 600 hp motor in it?

    With this truck possibly being built on the heavier side, can I get away with not replacing some things that other similar scenarios would need to do, for example the rear end, suspension, etc.?

    Any other comments or thoughts?

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  2. clem
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    Welcome to the HAMB.
    Hopefully you will get the replies and information you’re looking for, but I’m not sure how long it will take, as most here seem too be too involved discussing teat trimming on another thread.............:)
     
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  3. nrowles
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    Lol. That thread is giving me a chuckle.
     
  4. tb33anda3rd
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    we really don't discuss chassis swops on this forum, no matter how well those trucks fit on mid seventies chevy truck frames.
    the international trucks have a well built body and frame, they would easily handle more horse power. as stated i don't know of any brake upgrade parts. best to change the rear and front axles over to ford or chevy from the 50's.
    in stock form they are capable work trucks. i have repaired/restored/hot rodded a few.
     
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  5. nrowles
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    Why not? Serious question, not being sarcastic.

    This truck has sentimental value to me. I have another car with a built motor and I enjoy the power a lot. I'm not sure I have the room, time and energy for multiple classics so I'm considering putting the hp to the International and selling the other car.
     
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  6. F&J
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    Looks like a dry climate, so maybe the motor is not stuck. Clean it up and run it stock for a while, then decide.

    tearing it apart with little skills as a beginner, usually leads to an abandoned basket case.

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  7. chevy57dude
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    600, hey why not?
    How about a Buick nailhead, blown!
    Heavy frame in the truck already, a big Olds rear would do the job. Mad Mikey just built one. Cool truck, the front bumper would be the first thing I'd loose.
     
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  8. oldolds
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    First I would just get it running and driving. You might enjoy a slow cruising Cornbinder. I have a 110. Then maybe change things.
    That frame will probably handle that much HP. Personally I would just put a near stock small block something in it. 300HP will be plenty in that truck for a good cruiser.
     
  9. exterminator
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    Your thinking go big or go home. Why not - it's yours!:)
     
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  10. wvenfield
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    This reminds me of the letters you would read in a 70's porn magazine or a car mag from the time.

    I want my mom's Caprice Estate to be able to run 12's without her knowing I did anything to other other than maybe wheels. What should I do to get that done?
     
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  11. F&J
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    Weed, and LOTS of it, dude.. :)

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  12. 5E333B26-5001-4F76-9FB2-27A83046B179.jpeg A small block V8 freshen up the brakes and steering. Then paint the farm name on the doors. The 600hp goal makes it a MUCH larger project.
    Just my $.02
     
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  13. The teat trimming is far more interesting ...
     
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  14. nrowles
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    Thanks for all the replies. You guys definitely have a lot of traffic/activity on this forum. Good source.

    It may very well stay original, but if it does I'm certainly keeping the other car because I need my go-go fix once in awhile.

    Paint_Rep.......That is very sweet! I like it.

    scotty t..........Do you think a brake and steering freshen up would be all that is needed for 400 HP? My car has about 400 HP at the crank and I wouldn't be going any lower. I was using 600 HP because I figured if I'm already building a motor I might as well take it to the limits.
     
  15. belair
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    It will take time, money, and taste (the third ingredient is most often overlooked). Why 600 hp? With new, OT fuel injected, black box controlled engines, that's an easy goal, but almost boring. Lots of potential for a cool truck. Hope you succeed.
     
  16. Rusty O'Toole
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    It depends what you want to do with it. Since you give us so little info I will assume you want the truck to be basically stock looking with 600HP.

    I'm going to scale that back to 400 - 500 HP which is plenty, and more attainable.

    You want a large displacement engine. I am going to suggest a Chev 454 and matching transmission and rear axle. The nice thing about the International pickup is, there should be lots of room under the hood for any engine you choose.

    Front suspension and brakes, I would leave the stock axle in it. With disc brakes, good shocks, and reconditioned springs. Likewise at the back, reconditioned springs and new heavy duty shocks. At the front, if you want it to steer easier have an alignment done with the caster set to the minimum and add a steering damper to stop shimmy.

    There are other big block engines like Cadillac 500, Dodge 440 etc but most of them are now 40 years old or older and way obsolete.

    You can buy a rebuilt 454 from Summit for $3500 bucks.https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/nal-12339193/overview/make/chevrolet
     
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  17. My opinion is.......that truck is not destined for big horsepower, leave the big numbers to your other car. It would need many upgrades to achieve safely drivable big HP status, that’s a lot of work and money to put into a farm truck that generally wouldn’t be accepted as a hot rod. I stand by my earlier post and example picture. Either way think it through before you cut up a sentimental family truck.
    Oh yeah, have fun with it what ever you do.
     
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  18. Oh a more direct answer to your question, I would want upgraded brakes and steering with even 400hp .
     
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  19. RichFox
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    If you got the bucks, go for many inches. a crate 572 would have power and torque to push that truck around very nicely. Trans would depend on your preference auto or stick. But something stout with OD would be called for. You could investigate later disk brakes on your existing axles. The 'binder rear might be OK with OD. Try driving it and see what you think.
     
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  21. 57tailgater
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    I suspect you could pull out some leaves in the spring packs to lower it some and soften the ride. An updated rear end and probably new tranny so you can get some better gearing. You'll probably have to do some research on getting better brakes on the front end. Why not go with an INTERNATIONAL 345 for power? Be a little different and loyal to the truck brand. A lot depends on what you want it to eventually be and how you will use it. 600hp is a lot of hp.
     
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  22. millersgarage
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    my chassis swap comment was deleted because this is a traditional hot rod forum, and chassis swap discussion is not allowed.

    Ya know, because the International truck is a very traditional hot rod...
     
  23. clem
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  24. Budget36
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    Well, you first have to start with a 600HP motor.

    Other things will follow;)
     
  25. Jalopy Joker
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    a quote to remember " how fast do you want to go ? How much money do you have?" putting in a big HP motor with proper trans, rearend, etc will not work with stock brakes, etc - you know your budget, skills, etc - no matter how well you budget stuff it always takes more money and time than you ever thought in the beginning
     
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  26. clem
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    I can’t imagine that much, if any thing, would be needed in the way of chassis work for a 600 hp motor.
    I would imagine that being a truck, that the chassis would already be fairly substantial.
    But I am not very familiar with Internationals.
    Post above is very relevant, as the extra work comes from larger brakes, bigger gearboxes etc.
     
  27. clem
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    Oh, and lose those indicators/ turnsignals on the guards, (fenders).
     
  28. classiccarjack
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    I just helped a friend put together a 1955 truck. I am more than happy to discuss everything we did, but I rebuilt the original V8 that came in it, we wanted to give the original engine a fair try first. This truck wasn't a I6, and came original with 3 on the tree w/OD. I must admit, if it falls short, we are going Hemi!!!!

    We converted to disc brakes and modernized the rear end and removed the Dana 44....

    Please feel free to PM me if you like.

    Sent from my XT1585 using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
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  29. Boneyard51
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    There is a 392 4 barrel version of this engine in the larger trucks, backed by a 5 speed overdrive transmission. ( also had Allisions) If I was going traditional/untraditional that’s what I would look for. That would haul that heavy truck with no problem. They were powerhouses, tuff as nails, but had an appetite for fuel. Maintained a fleet of them when I frist started out back in the seventies. Bones
     
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  30. southcross2631
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    Your kids college fund is a great place to start. It won't be cheap no matter how you go about it.
    I would use a turbo 5.9 Cummins inline 6 diesel. Not traditional, but 600 hp in a street driven corn binder isn't either.
    You will need to upgrade everything on the truck to handle that kind of power.
     
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