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Technical What is "Holy Grail" Air Cleaner for circa 1939 - Frank Burrell manifold / Carter WDO ?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by John Mereness, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. John Mereness
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    Update 2018: prototype Frank Burrell dual carb intake manifold with Carter WDO carbs
     

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  2. John Mereness
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    Yes, it is a V-8 Flathead Cadillac/LaSalle
     
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  4. John Mereness
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    It did not have any sort of support for a "Traditional" generator mounted (or any other place for mounting) a Cadillac/LaSalle style oil bath air cleaner set up (ie no bracket(s) to support for the oil bath unit).
     
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  5. John Mereness
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    Car was built in Pasadena, CA - so they had access to the LA beginnings of "Hot Rods"
     
  6. Bored&Stroked
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    That is really cool - not many Cad/LaSalle engines in hotrods . . . during any period of time. If you get into the engine and need to ponder anything performance related, drop me a line - have spent WAY too much time in the bowels of one of these suckers! LOL

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  7. Paul
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    crazy stuff there
    way over the top
    I would be happy with just a simple 2x2 intake :)
     
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  8. John Mereness
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  9. Flat Roy
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  10. Bored&Stroked
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    Hey Flat Roy - nicely done! I know we've talked about your engine before - nice to see it! I know some of the 'Traditional Folks' might grumble, but this is probably the only blown flathead I've seen with a late model blower, power-steering and air . . . you obviously spent a TON of time on this engine - my hats off to yah.

    What blower manifold is on it - one that you made?
     
  11. Bored&Stroked
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    Back to Air Cleaners: You might consider using two 1932 Ford Air cleaners - even if you have to modify the bottoms of them -- they would be 'period correct' and have a certain amount of style to them. They have a beautiful design and would also chrome up really nice.

    They are expensive items - so if $$$ are an issue, probably not! LOL

    Here is one on the 59AB engine that came in my 32 Cabriolet:

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    It is a bit nuts to invest the amount of work and $$$ we have in this thing, but it's sole purpose is for land speed racing at Bonneville - we've gone 185 mph with it so far and made 650 HP on alky . . . so that old beast has proven it's strength and capabilities. There is only one other guy that we know of who has set records with a Cad/LaSalle at BVille - and he is our good friend 'Gary' - who runs a T roadster (different class).
     
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  13. mr.chevrolet
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    these are what you want. CIMG6498.JPG
     
  14. That supercharged mill looks like a lot of good times- but I'm not sure that orange Fram is what I'd consider the "holy grail" of circa 1939 air cleaners


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  15. adam401
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    Dumb question but what are they from? I love those!
     
  16. Squablow
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    Optional dry element air cleaners for the 47-54 Chevy pickup trucks.
     
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  17. Squablow
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    If you search for Frank Burrell air cleaner this picture comes up on the Custom Car Chronicle. Assuming you had a real prototype intake, you probably had this matching air cleaner, possibly made by Burrell himself. Wouldn't be impossible to recreate using some factory pieces.
     
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    So maybe these were actually produced? If they were, it seems natural that the pricey built 1939 custom car would have the matching air cleaner to the intake.



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  19. Kiwi 4d
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    These kind of look like cut down 37 ish ford filters. But on our coupe below we used 35 era ford filters but the bases had to be offset on a regular manifold.
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  20. John Mereness
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    Cool picture - have not seen before ! I suspect it had a different style air cleaner though- first, there was no brackets for mounting this style of oil bath air cleaner (nothing on the heads, nothing on the generator bracket, and/or .....Second, width could pose clearance issues "car has a "chop" though the cowl and sits lower than a standard Cadillac/LaSalle. Third, whatever air cleaners they were they were something 'neat" enough that someone five finger discounted them.
     
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  21. NorthManCad
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    Will give new live in this discussion, because my running project, a 34` Ford Truck with 42` Cadillac Flathead and 3 speed stick shift Lassalle gear box.
    I am in progress to change the intake and carburetors and not sure which air cleaner give the best performance.
    The engine was equipped with a Burrell dual carb intake and carter WDO`s
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    Here you see the very nice air cleaner I take on the WDO´s.
    The air cleaner opening shows backwards, because there is not enough space for the hood it they shows forward.

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    After a test run there was a little engine over heating from dirty canals in cylinder heat. Was strange, because the engine has a complete overhaul…, I think there was rest dirt from engine cleaning in small holes. However, I take the heads off and now I will flush the complete engine.
    I also take the carburetors from intake to check all gaskets and make a rebuilt.
    During the order for rebuilt kits, I found a Edmunds dual carb intake for 48` Caddy Flatheads on eBay. The seller give this to me for a very good price and I take it.

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    I love these Edmunds intakes and have also a very rare on my Chrysler straight 8 ;):).

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    After a lot of search and reading in this forum, my brain begin to work little more with all this input.
    I learn in the forum that most driver in the 50` take the Carter WCD 595s carbs for a dual carb option.
    I compare the WDO´s and the WCD´s and learn also, the have different holes for throttle.
    WDO´s ca. 33mm and WCD´s ca. 36mm!!
    The WCD´s are much bigger inside and outside, have more reservoir.
    Now I will build a new setup with Edmunds intake and Carter WCD 595s.
    I have found 2 carbs for rebuild and also the rebuild kits.
    The WCD are also ca. 1" higher than the WDO´s, what means with my air cleaner I have not the space to hood.
    I need other ones, but what is the best solution for the WCD 595 and what is flat enough??
    In the HAMB, I found also this:

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    I would be glad to become any expert opinion from yours about air cleaner, carbs and so...
    Dirk
     
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  22. NorthManCad
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    Nobody with a nice idea??;)
     
  23. Jacobrpest
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    Is there anyone out there selling dual carb intakes for flathead cadillac motors? I've tried contacting the flat caddy.com site and I get not response. Anyone know why?
     
  24. Cyclone Kevin
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    24E55F2C-3126-4299-8D43-BC9BF3362CE6.jpeg 704CFF4E-E427-47C5-BEE7-2A40C2FE50F8.jpeg In answer to the question above, these are Burrell Intakes. They’re available through Frank’s son Barry Burrell. These are on our 47 Flathead Cad.Here’s the info: 0BD5FBFB-F33D-434E-9245-D0028B855D14.jpeg
     
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  25. Jacobrpest
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    That's a screenshot from flatcaddy.com if I'm not mistaken. I've sent messages to the webmaster of this page via the "contact" tab to no avail. I'll try getting a hold of Barry via that bfb100@charter.net email account and let you know if it works. Thanks
     
  26. Cyclone Kevin
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    That’s the last info that I have of Barry’s. Most have gotten through to him via this info. Last that I knew they’re still available. ;). BTW, P.M’d you.
     
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  27. dan griffin
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    This add is for Frank Burrell's flat Cad speed equipment. Frank was a engineer at Cadillac so all of the parts looked like factory made. Also they were made after WW-2. I never thought to ask Frank but I suspect the duel carb setup was originally designed for the Cadillac powered tanks.
     
  28. CadMad
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    First response to John’s question shows the Aircleaner that I made to go on my 39 Cadillac.
    You can’t fit the style shown in the booklet under the hood.
    Barry Burrell is a Facebook mate. I’ll contact him to see what the deal is.
     
  29. Beanscoot
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    Jeez, get those ugly UPC stickers off the air cleaners!
    (And they look like they won't flow worth beans!)

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  30. peter hehir, from petes speed shop is casting a few things and can be seen on Instagram and Facebook. the one shown below is actually adjustable with carburetor hole on a sliding plate.

    this is the only picture i could find without logging into either....

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